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?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lying? Try reading what I was replying to!!!

    Would it matter if I was a Pro Trumper? How is that a dig? People need to grow up and understand that other people are entitled to opinions.

    When it comes to facts they are black and white. But Opinions are allowed. I am not saying you are any less for supporting Biden.

    You see the difference?



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No but you lot seem to think that assault is murder……………………….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You were replying to me....

    How do I know that?

    Because you quoted me.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Helping someone is not a measure of how close you are as friends. But I wont argue with that. If there were or werent before a certain time period, who knows. I just dont think that Trump would escape that. Not with what is being thrown at him.

    On a side note, I think most of us would share some common ground with the Epstein stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The dirty end of politics rarely if ever go through proper channels or mechanisms.

    It's largely in the halls of power that decisions are made particularly inside a party.

    And unless I am completely misreading it, the decision has been made.

    Biden will step down, that in itself could backfire spectacularly so it have to be managed correctly.

    Schiff is not a moron, he may sound like a bit part character on Family Guy but there is absolutely no way he puts neck on the line like that without knowing for sure what is coming.

    The successor has to be chosen swiftly with unanimity.

    For me that is Newsom / Whitmer.

    IF the transition to them is done post hast and flawlessly, The Democrats are back in the race.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair enough. We dont have to agree on everything 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,109 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Redliketoast: "My views are very much left of center."

    Also Redliketoast: "The only people murdering anyone are leftys"

    Just another 2024 "new" poster full of bad faith gibberish. Hysterical, ignorant and scatter-brained, with a posting content that's all over the place.

    A perfect candidate for the ignore button.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,325 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    hulk hogan will speak tonight at the RNC. Someone who matches and on a good day with a following wind tells as many lies as trump. I wonder will he bring up the time he drank beer with John belushi in 1986, which is grand except John Belushi had died four years before that in 1982.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    The quicker the better.

    Step one, positive covid test

    Step two, side effects

    Step three, stepping out after medical advice



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No.. he might mention the whole gawker media saga though. The RNC has a loathing for the media after all and that will feed right into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Of course he will speak.

    All racist homophobic bull shít artists are welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I doubt he has Covid. If he does it is perfect timing.

    Unfortunately for Joe I think the doctors have found something wrong with him and this information has somehow got out to the top brass in the Democrats.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This has nothing to do with Schiff. He is one of many people who can add pressure.

    The one and only person who matters in this entire discussion is Biden and whether he wants to continue running. Everything comes down to convincing him to step down. There is no other route whatsoever.

    I'm not saying he won't step down. I'm saying that it solely depends on convincing him to. There is nothing that can be forced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'm sorry but that is a rather naïve view of the reality of the situation. Honestly since Saturday I thought the storm had been weathered and they would row in behind after the attempt on Trump.

    With Schiff declaring publicly he is gone, I can guarantee you Schiff did not make that decision himself. It's a hand grenade that never allowed Biden's team a breath.

    Biden will declare he is stepping down once the freak circus that is the RNC convention is done or in the days after.

    Of course the perfect time to do it would be 1 minute into Trumps Speech tonight, all networks "and we go live to the oval office".



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'm really not the naive one here.

    If it didn't require public pressure to bear on Biden to make the decision they wouldn't be coming out publicly to do it. It's a massive negative for the Dems to have to do that. They are trying to use the media to leverage Biden to go. If the decision was made and Schiff somehow controlled it there would be zero reason to declare it.

    This messy public fight is a disaster but they view it as necessary because they dont think Biden will step aside absent it. You are massively undervaluing how much comes down to the whims of one man. If he chooses to stay he will stay and there is nothing anyone can do to stop him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Whitmer/ Kelly would be my choice. Excellent ticket to lock down crucial swing states, pretty much scandal free with impeccable credentials. Both of them would wallop their opposition in any debate, for what that's worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If it didn't require public pressure to bear on Biden to make the decision they wouldn't be coming out publicly to do it.

    See the thing about that is. Biden has a team, that team are very important, that team largely also become very redundant if Biden pulls out. That is the team that has Biden's ear. Although that ear seems to be turning in a new direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,674 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This is correct, in a technical sense. Biden's pledged delegates are people who have fealty to him. Party members or elected officials or activists in each state with a direct personal loyalty to him and handpicked by his campaign team. Then there is the technical issue of money raised within the control of his campaign, and how that can be redirected but only with his assent.

    A new candidate can definitely be stood up, delegates can pledge for them, money can be redirected, key campaign staff can be moved / newly identified as necessary and campaign infrastructure and offices can be repurposed. It is all possible, but Biden has to be on board for it to happen. If he decides to bull on then - absent of invoking the 25th amendment or trying via a circus last gasp effort on the convention floor to force someone else - he is going to be the nominee.

    Where I maybe disagree with you is in regard to your earlier posts - the Dem power structure and his inner circle of advisors could have tried to change his mind months or maybe years ago, and made it clear that they would create the conditions for a real primary race. Instead they moved South Carolina first to make the climb even steeper for outside challengers. But that is all in the past now.

    Hopefully he can be convinced to do one final last act of national service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They really have no choice now in reality.

    If there is actually something medically wrong with him - which I suspect is what has changed, they can't for the next 5 odd months keep writing it off as jet lag or a cold or Covid.

    I watched his entire speech the other night which was pretty flawless and I don't actually think he glanced much or even at all at the prompter.

    The problem is his next speech he could go into 56k mode.

    That looks more like someone who is having an episode than someone who is old and a bit doddery and that's what will get wall to wall coverage.

    He has actually been doddery for years. It seems different now though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sen. mark kelly.

    It would likely have to be a Harris/Kelly ticket. I don’t think Harris is going anywhere and the Dems need the war chest the ticket has amassed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Mark Kelly, Senator for Arizona. Husband of former Congresswoman Kathy Gifford's, fighter pilot and astronaut



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Oh right. Impressive guy, but not enough of an national profile. Yet.

    I wouldn't be Newsoms greatest fan but if you asked AI to create a Netflix President for a series they would spurt out him.

    Whitmer would be the perfect tonic for Vance.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,715 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Have you finally accepted it is likely that Biden won't be the candidate come November?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Mannesmann


    Whoever replaces Biden should be put in soon to give him/her a chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭calculator


    I assume that's essentially him gone now if Obama's telling him to go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,944 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He's amazing person. A true American hero, unlike Trump who is a demagogue.

    I'd honestly love to see Kelly debate Trump or Vance, he'd turn them inside out.

    Incidentally, the Biden/Harris warchest is not a deal-breaker. It wouldn't be beyond the wit of technology to refund all donors and have them quickly re-commit the funding to the new candidates.

    The word is that Harris' people are telling her not to run, because she WILL lose, and thats any chance of a 2028 tilt, or any other year, dead an buried for her.

    And so the Dems should go for absolute broke, in my opinion. Whitmer with Kelly, or Moore, or Schiff, or Jeffries, or Buttigieg, or even Newsom.

    They have the talent to slice up Trump, they are just afraid that they can't do right for doing wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,715 ✭✭✭hometruths


    No doubt they have the talent to win this election in a landslide. But they should have been nurturing that talent two or three years ago.

    This is a mess of their own making, not dissimilar to 2016 when loyalty to supposed party grandees by the elders has been valued higher than the will of the people.

    Hopefully they'll finally learn their lesson this time.



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