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Effects on property prices in Coolock

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭munster87


    No effect, obviously. And unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭munster87


    Well there's a **** tonne of work that needs to go into that house…may be more of an issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I'll take you at your word. However, there are plenty of very reasonable motivations to not want refugees living on your doorstep, and none of them are racist or the product of misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,732 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    a house that’s already gone sale agreed?

    I wouldn’t expect too many recent viewings either given its sale agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I think anyone looking looking for a house would be more concerned with proximity to Darndale than to the crown paints site.

    Most would never have touched Collock anyway unless they were desperate, so I dont how the antics from the other day will make any difference to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Look up that again and scroll down and you will see price reductions for Coolock for new builds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Coolock is practically the definition of a welfare area. Vast majority of the housing is was originally coporation/council housing. The boss of Mountjoy said most of the residents were from 3 areas of Dublin with Coolock being top of the list.

    I went to school with people from Coolock and have friends from there. They will freely say Coolock is a welfare area and was rough when they grew up there and still has plenty of the same elements. If you went up to Coolock as a teenager and weren't known you would get attacked for not being from the area.

    Not going to gentrify unless people with money move in and they won't given such behaviour as Monday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I remember cycling along the Malahide road in Coolock home from work one night and these lads started roaring and running after me. I got away. I never went that way again.

    A few weeks later another guy from work was cycling home in the same spot and he was pulled off his bike and his legs were battered with a hammer. He never came back to work after hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Coolock is an area replete with welfare recipients and yes, it can be rough. That said, I see no reason why the people who live there should simply accept the state's imposition of 800-1000 illegal immigrants. They are Irish citizens, and their views and wishes should be considered by the state. This would be the same if such a centre were to be opened in Dalkey, which isn't happening, oddly enough…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    They were going to but 800-1000 people in that one building!! I don't think so.

    Not the point of the thread either way. Public attention to the area and how rough it is and off putting for 20% of the population of Dublin directly. It will also keep the area as insular and it won't gentrify



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    800-1000 is what I heard. Perhaps it came from the same place you got your 20% ;)

    (that sounds more sarcastic than it's meant to…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I am quoting the CSO and you are quoting hearsay. I know how big the building is and you can look too and that figure is impossible. You are drinking the coolaid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,913 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I hate to break it to you, Ray, but high-paid IT staff were never going to be buying in Coolock in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I'm quoting what I was told by people outside the crown paint centre. They told me it was to house 800-1000 people. They could have been wrong, and I will admit that I can't actually find a direct quote for that anywhere official. So yes, I may have been wrong about that.

    Are you saying that the CSO has a figure of 20% for the number of people who would not want to live in Coolock? That doesn't sound like something that they would have a number for…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Foreign nationals living in Dublin by CSO figure. If you believe what a bunch of racist just tell you then I think you have a problem. It is very easy to see how big the building is and it can't hold anywhere near that amount of people. There is no "maybe" wrong it is very apparent it is impossible given the size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    You said this:

    "Not the point of the thread either way. Public attention to the area and how rough it is and off putting for 20% of the population of Dublin directly. It will also keep the area as insular and it won't gentrify"

    When I asked where you got the data that 1/5 of the population of Dublin would not want to live in Coolock, you replied that it was a CSO figure. The CSO is merely that 20% of Dublin's population is foreign; you are merely presuming that they don't want live in Coolock and calling that supposition an official figure.

    As to calling the people "racists", can we please stop this? The reason they are upset is because any genuine grievance or concern that they have are met with dismissal and name-calling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    People said the same about Donnycarney years ago and and several other areas and they are now proven wrong. Coolock could have gentrified given the massive investment going into the area. Unfortunately the locals don't want that and are keeping the area to be a poor area. It isn't a small minority in the area doing this but major portion of the locals. They same as the 80s when I grew up close by. A few bad apples ruins the barrel because the other apples turn bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Quite clearly racist and you are propagating obvious lies so taking part. There was local engagement about the development. If you think this is a genuine protest then you are really misguided as this is opportunists just causing trouble. As said they do this at Halloween too.

    I said no foreign national would want to live in Coolock and pointed out that is 20% of Dublin population straight away thus reducing demand for property. That means the property price is going to be effected. Others dismiss this as doing anything to prices in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    You have no idea what any foreigner would want. You are taking a statistic that says one thing, applying an assumption and then using it to support an argument. If you cannot see what is wrong with this type of thinking, and if you merely wish to call people names, then there is little point in discussing the matter with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I think that people should have a bit more compassion for these poor unfortunate people. You grow up in a lawless place. Maybe you lost family and friends who looked the wrong way at the local warlord or gang. In reality you were never afforded the opportunity to go and get an education and you have no skills or employment prospects. All you want to do is to get out of there and try to build a new life in a civilised place. But it's nearly impossible to do that because no other place will accept you.

    And then the feckin government goes and puts refugees in beside you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Birds of a feather flock together. An old and true saying. It's the nature of differing groups to live together. So we will see enclaves of various nationalities and cultures being established in Dublin and elsewhere. Look at out own traveller citizens for example. Multiple 'Chinatowns' if you like. As to property prices in Coolock or elsewhere, up and down I guess depending on how this shakes out. It's also of course why residents of the more salubrious areas will watch carefully to make sure they are not impacted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You have to be kidding.I do talk to people I work with who are foreign nationals. The ask about areas they are looking at. Pretty standard expectation is to feel safe where you plan to buy. You think it is a huge leap to assume these people will be fine with an area where far right protestors joined forces with the locals to attack a building? You are playing silly buggers

    The far right groups are certainly racists. They are the people using the figure 800-1000 which you are repeating thus aligning yourself with them what is obviously not a "genuine" concern. Don't lie down with dogs if you don't want fleas. It is not name calling it is reality. I am not calling you a racist or all the people there as many just want to cause trouble.

    Never wanted this discussion just wanted to ask about the effect on property in the area. You seem to think it has no effect and it nothing to be concerned about. So yes the discussion is over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    If I were to replace "far-right" with "working-class", I think we would be closer to what's going on in your mind.

    I'm done with you. Good day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    LOL

    This isn't going on in my mind but in public view and certainly right wing not working class

    https://www.thejournal.ie/fringe-misinformation-about-coolock-clashes-crown-paint-asylum-seeker-6438152-Jul2024/

    "including claiming the government wanted to pump “Illegal male
    migrants” into poor communities (asylum seekers have the right to stay
    in Ireland while their cases are processed).

    “It’s a Jewish plan!” one man with a loudspeaker was recorded saying.

    “They’re going to tell you how many calories you can eat. And they’re going to text you what you can eat.

    He added that it “has nothing to do with immigration, nothing to do with anything, it’s to do with White destruction”."

    @Donald Trump

    Absolute nonsense, I grew up with people from Coolock and we are still friends. They are professionals with degrees and masters. Others I know are in prison on and off with others long term unemployed. There are people inbetween too. I do feel sorry for them as they were never encouraged at home by their family and that was the deciding factor not the area they came from. They had the same opportunities in education and went to same schools as me and others in the local area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The Department of Integration have stated the site is to hold 500 people so that’s the figure to be using in this discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,198 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Up to 500 or 50% less than the higher number mentioned and 300 less than the lowest number. Just shows it was a false statement



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’m sure if anyone wanted to check the exact numbers they could go into DFB HQ in Townsend Street and try viewing the Fire Safety Certificate Application for the building. That will detail the occupancy numbers.



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