Effects on property prices in Coolock

Ray Palmer

The riot in Coolock is all in the news yesterday and today. What kind of effect will this have on potential buyers? What is going to happen when they add all the new properties to the area?

While people will say it is about migrants/refugees moving in I think you can see this just gave some an opportunity to take on the Gardai rather than some strong belief.

artanevilla

No effect.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386780#Comment_122386780

That is unlikely. I am sure it will put somebody off buying there especially if they are foreign born nationals. It is really about how much of an impact it will have

Oscar_Madison

Zero impact . Most of the idiots in masks there yesterday were likely not from the area - there were of course people protesting who were from the area but you’ll get that anywhere but the people responsible for burning the mattresses and setting fire to the builders equipment /JCBs were likely agitators from some scummy cess pit many miles away.

Once released from custody likely most of the scummers will be heading to the next flash point which may well be here if past experience is anything to go by:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/its-too-many-people-in-too-small-an-area-row-brewing-over-plans-to-house-280-migrants-in-tipperary-village-of-165-people/a953110517.html

RichardAnd

This thread isn't going to last long.

I won't offer an opinion on what happened, but I will say that such events are going to happen again and again as long as the state continues its current behaviour.

As to your question; it will not affect property prices. There are too many people and too few houses; when that changes, prices will do down.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386811#Comment_122386811

They look a hell of a lot like the people from the area. Opportunists most likely but from the local area. Maybe egged on by agitators but these are locals involved.

I really think it would impact demand from people who are not white or even have a foreign accent. Many people who work high paying jobs. I certainly would warn such people about buying in Coolock.

Less demand will either reduce prices and stop them rising

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386812#Comment_122386812

The government made them riot??

Personal choice and personal responsibility (and lack of) made them riot.

Dante

Coolock has always been a dodgy area, the recent riots will not have any substantial impact on prices.

MacDanger

I wonder will there be similar protests when these new properties become available and "unvetted" people (single men even) are allowed to buy them?

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386852#Comment_122386852

Not what I said. Please don't attempt a strawman with me. Thank you.

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386803#Comment_122386803

Some people will be put off buying anywhere for any number of reasons. It will still have zero effect on property prices.

Sleepy

The behaviour of a minority of the residents on display will certainly put many off living there (far more than the proposed residential centre would imho). Whether it's enough to have any impact on prices in this housing market is questionable.

I wouldn't buy there as I wouldn't want such people as neighbours but like anywhere, the majority from Coolock are good people and no doubt there's many who grew up in the area who would be trying to buy property there now. It might reduce competition to the point that prices there won't rise as quickly as other parts of Dublin but I couldn't see it causing them to fall.

jimmycrackcorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386836#Comment_122386836

There were lots of local onlookers there also just there to witness the havoc for entertainment.

Upandout

The majority of those in court were from the wider area. Pure scumbags absolutely terrorising the general public. Garda should have cleared and blocked it as soon as it became violent.

It will be interesting to hear how many previous convictions they have, given they are so concerned about criminals moving in,the pure irony.

Deebles McBeebles

Maybe they could be put to work fixing the damage caused and even renovating the place for the incoming residents? Seems like they have flexible working hours so it shouldn't be an issue with their places of work.

easygoing39

Ray,you must be on the wnid-up pal!! Coolock,full of drugs,shootings,robbed car's,petty vandalism,muggings etc etc and you think a skimish in the middle of the afternoon will effect house price's???? LOL There's been worse riots on a Halloween night over the years.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386836#Comment_122386836

White people will buy them instead

xyz13

No one in their right state of mind will consider purchasing a property in Coolock.

JVince

It used to be a lot worse. Darndale was a total no-go area for years. Still is for many.

Far too many low cost social housing units put together and whole clans moved in. Add to that the high traveller population with their own issues. Mix them up, and you literally have a large cohort of people who shun education and progression and almost bully anyone who dares to try and better themselves.

That particular area around Darndale really is one of the worst places you could imagine to live (plenty of decent people there - but they live in fear of the thugs) and a little riot won't make much of a difference.

Why they would think it is a good place to put refugees, who mostly are looking for a better life and who contribute greatly to communities they are welcomed into, is beyond comprehension. Darndale simply does not deserve these decent people that would improve the area. Let the local thugs rot in their own excrement.

herbalplants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387217#Comment_122387217

Oh yes all refugees looking to do well in their new community.

Have we forgot what is happening in Sweden who took in so many? Or perhaps you want to educate yourself what is happening in other countries like specifically Sweden. Their newcomers didn't embrace and align to their newfound land, but even gather a reputation of rape capital.

Gumbo

No effect whatsoever IMO.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387137#Comment_122387137

Agreed but people play it down all the time and claimed the area is so much better now. This has just highlighted the nature of the area to a load of people who may not have known how bad it still is. Adding racism to the dangers of the area will put people off. Any reduction in demand will effect price

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387164#Comment_122387164

Not if they have non white friends they want to visit. Given many of the high paid IT staff won't be buying there it will effect prices. Last time I checked Dublin has 20% foreign national population.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387210#Comment_122387210

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387826#Comment_122387826

Guys,

Borderline race and generalization speak here. The thread started as a house price query but it’s very quickly descending into the unknown.

billyhead

Op. There is a strong community ethos in Coolock. You will get gougers everywhere in Dublin. I don't think what happened yesterday will affect prices.

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058359890/effects-on-property-prices-in-coolock

None whatsoever o would imagine. I doubt that Mayor the protesters reflects local views to the ext et that it would impact on (fairly depressed) property prices in any event.

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386836#Comment_122386836

how do you differentiate people from Coolock (mostly native Irish) from the scum bags who “protested” yesterday. I am a cilchie but spent time in Coolock from 1991 onwards. I don’t see the native inhabitants as inculcating the type of hate seen yesterday. It has never become “gentrified” in any way but remains a good area of people who generally function as part of

Society. It has never been a “welfare” area. I find your concerns poorly founded.

Marcusm

Why would highly paid IT staff be buying properties in Coolick in the first prance? Have you ever been to Ireland not to mind D5?

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387217#Comment_122387217

"Darndale simply does not deserve these decent people that would improve the area."

Would you like to have them move into your community?

Gloomtastic!

This house is virtually next door to the Crown Paints site. I wouldn’t say they’ve had too many viewings recently.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/22-newtown-cottages-malahide-road-coolock-dublin-17/2966292

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389354#Comment_122389354

No issue whatsoever. Have a decent size group within 500m-800m since May.

Absolutely no problems of any sort. Even some who were against them realise that a certain cohort were simply being racist and spread misinformation.

munster87

No effect, obviously. And unfortunately.

munster87

Well there's a **** tonne of work that needs to go into that house…may be more of an issue

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389628#Comment_122389628

I'll take you at your word. However, there are plenty of very reasonable motivations to not want refugees living on your doorstep, and none of them are racist or the product of misinformation.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389384#Comment_122389384

a house that’s already gone sale agreed?

I wouldn’t expect too many recent viewings either given its sale agreed.

SharkMX

I think anyone looking looking for a house would be more concerned with proximity to Darndale than to the crown paints site.

Most would never have touched Collock anyway unless they were desperate, so I dont how the antics from the other day will make any difference to them.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389384#Comment_122389384

Look up that again and scroll down and you will see price reductions for Coolock for new builds

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389254#Comment_122389254

Coolock is practically the definition of a welfare area. Vast majority of the housing is was originally coporation/council housing. The boss of Mountjoy said most of the residents were from 3 areas of Dublin with Coolock being top of the list.

I went to school with people from Coolock and have friends from there. They will freely say Coolock is a welfare area and was rough when they grew up there and still has plenty of the same elements. If you went up to Coolock as a teenager and weren't known you would get attacked for not being from the area.

Not going to gentrify unless people with money move in and they won't given such behaviour as Monday

SharkMX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390392#Comment_122390392

I remember cycling along the Malahide road in Coolock home from work one night and these lads started roaring and running after me. I got away. I never went that way again.

A few weeks later another guy from work was cycling home in the same spot and he was pulled off his bike and his legs were battered with a hammer. He never came back to work after hospital.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390392#Comment_122390392

Coolock is an area replete with welfare recipients and yes, it can be rough. That said, I see no reason why the people who live there should simply accept the state's imposition of 800-1000 illegal immigrants. They are Irish citizens, and their views and wishes should be considered by the state. This would be the same if such a centre were to be opened in Dalkey, which isn't happening, oddly enough…

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390435#Comment_122390435

They were going to but 800-1000 people in that one building!! I don't think so.

Not the point of the thread either way. Public attention to the area and how rough it is and off putting for 20% of the population of Dublin directly. It will also keep the area as insular and it won't gentrify

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390472#Comment_122390472

800-1000 is what I heard. Perhaps it came from the same place you got your 20% ;)

(that sounds more sarcastic than it's meant to…)

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390477#Comment_122390477

I am quoting the CSO and you are quoting hearsay. I know how big the building is and you can look too and that figure is impossible. You are drinking the coolaid

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387826#Comment_122387826

I hate to break it to you, Ray, but high-paid IT staff were never going to be buying in Coolock in the first place.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390577#Comment_122390577

I'm quoting what I was told by people outside the crown paint centre. They told me it was to house 800-1000 people. They could have been wrong, and I will admit that I can't actually find a direct quote for that anywhere official. So yes, I may have been wrong about that.

Are you saying that the CSO has a figure of 20% for the number of people who would not want to live in Coolock? That doesn't sound like something that they would have a number for…

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395073#Comment_122395073

Foreign nationals living in Dublin by CSO figure. If you believe what a bunch of racist just tell you then I think you have a problem. It is very easy to see how big the building is and it can't hold anywhere near that amount of people. There is no "maybe" wrong it is very apparent it is impossible given the size.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395114#Comment_122395114

You said this:

"Not the point of the thread either way. Public attention to the area and how rough it is and off putting for 20% of the population of Dublin directly. It will also keep the area as insular and it won't gentrify"

When I asked where you got the data that 1/5 of the population of Dublin would not want to live in Coolock, you replied that it was a CSO figure. The CSO is merely that 20% of Dublin's population is foreign; you are merely presuming that they don't want live in Coolock and calling that supposition an official figure.

As to calling the people "racists", can we please stop this? The reason they are upset is because any genuine grievance or concern that they have are met with dismissal and name-calling.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394876#Comment_122394876

People said the same about Donnycarney years ago and and several other areas and they are now proven wrong. Coolock could have gentrified given the massive investment going into the area. Unfortunately the locals don't want that and are keeping the area to be a poor area. It isn't a small minority in the area doing this but major portion of the locals. They same as the 80s when I grew up close by. A few bad apples ruins the barrel because the other apples turn bad

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395145#Comment_122395145

Quite clearly racist and you are propagating obvious lies so taking part. There was local engagement about the development. If you think this is a genuine protest then you are really misguided as this is opportunists just causing trouble. As said they do this at Halloween too.

I said no foreign national would want to live in Coolock and pointed out that is 20% of Dublin population straight away thus reducing demand for property. That means the property price is going to be effected. Others dismiss this as doing anything to prices in the area.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395180#Comment_122395180

You have no idea what any foreigner would want. You are taking a statistic that says one thing, applying an assumption and then using it to support an argument. If you cannot see what is wrong with this type of thinking, and if you merely wish to call people names, then there is little point in discussing the matter with you.

Donald Trump

I think that people should have a bit more compassion for these poor unfortunate people. You grow up in a lawless place. Maybe you lost family and friends who looked the wrong way at the local warlord or gang. In reality you were never afforded the opportunity to go and get an education and you have no skills or employment prospects. All you want to do is to get out of there and try to build a new life in a civilised place. But it's nearly impossible to do that because no other place will accept you.

And then the feckin government goes and puts refugees in beside you.