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Silage 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    any idea what the dmd is like in it. Should be over 75?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Unless the winter coming is very short there will be a lot of problems. There is little silage stock left after last winter. At present lads that sell silage have most of there projected stock precooked or sold out.

    I bought a bit of ground last year which I can take only very limited silage off because of ragworth. Became last winter being so long it was not possible to spray it. As well P&K are terrible on it.

    At present if grass is growing longer than 6-7 weeks some lads think it's sh!te. FIrst cut was about the 27th May. It was June 1st before it got slurry and N. Growth has been poor the last 3 weeks.

    Anything I grow will be cheaper and better quality than anything I buy. It running to 7 weeks from Junse 1st. Ideally another year I would cut it. However at this stage it needs must. I generally have a target of 4 dry bales per store a normal year if I had silage left over. I have less than 200 bales at present. None of the new place was closed before the end of May. I guessing I will hit hit about 400 bales giving a 40 bale reserve it giving me 80 stores for the winter at most ( there is ten heifers to fatten as well.

    Fattening cattle out of the shed this early is crazy IMO. That 40dm silage is ideal for stores or young stock on silage only for the winter. Perfection in farming an add significant cost with no added profit.

    I off loaded cattle over the last two weeks that ideallI woukd have liked to keep. I would have had to feed bales or graze silage ground neither of which woukd add to the bottom libe with prices dropping a bit at present.

    Growing 5-7 acres of rape is starting to enty my head but I am reluctant to go there.

    My advice to anyone at present is make sure you have enough silage. A couple kgs of ration is easier buy than buying bales. Was passing a field where a lad sells a lot if bales. He only cut it and baked it literally all the bales are miss shapen a few nearly triangular. That will be expensive sh!te by the time it's in a yard

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Fully agree with what you’re saying re silage stocks and supply, bale count well back for 90% of our baling customers and they’re all cutting roughly the same amount of acres as every other year. There’s not a bale of silage to be got for sale around here yet.

    So yes if you need more bales then you’re right to let it grow on, but that only confirms what I said in the post you replied too, you’re going for bulk, not quality.

    Last year was the first time I ever put cattle back into the shed in summer to fatten them and I only did that due to weather and ground conditions. Cattle standing in muck around troughs waiting for meal and standing with humps on their backs under the ditches in all the rain weren’t thriving so I put them in and couldn’t believe how well they done inside after they got a few days to adjust. I’ll have no problem doing the same from now on, 3 to 4 weeks in the shed before killing, what silage they’re eating is very minimal when they’re on meal and makes the job far easier and no mucking up fields around troughs and ditches in the rain and they thrive just as well if not better with the way our summer weather is now.

    On your point about off loading cattle you’d have preferred to keep, is that not all the more reason to be cutting silage earlier? I done the first of my second cut around 3 weeks ago, I’ll be letting cattle in on that to graze this eve. Looking out at it growing for an extra few weeks for the sake of a couple of bales more per acre and poorer quality feed but not having enough grass for grazing will never make sense in my book but each to their own and I suppose the world would be a boring place if we all done everything the same!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    would you say 2018 was a lot more series re silage stocks, up to this point our on par with where your bale count is at to date and whats after been fed out on your custumers farms this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭DBK1


    At this point in the year yes 2018 was worse for silage stocks but there was an awful lot of good quality hay made. We got a very good back end to the year in 2018 though, we baled more silage from the middle of September to the end of October in 2018 than we had baled all year up to that.

    It’s hard to see that happening any more with the way our autumn weather has been the last few years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Fertilizer rules now is going to kill lads. Lads would be throwing out an extra bit if weather suited and they were tight on feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭DBK1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    cutting stuff like this today and baling tomorrow, can't trust the forecast enough best get it baled and go again for 3rd cut,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭stanflt


    I’d hazard a guess of between 68-70

    Fresh grass for grazing is only testing 75dmd - it’s July after all

    The time for high 70s dmd silage is early may with no weed burden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It could be as high as mid 70's. It's still very leafy, I suspect the N is not gone out of it yet @limo_100 . I cut silage this time last year it tested 74DMD and was nearly 40%DM.

    The winter before summer 2018 was not that bad I think there was reserves of silage around. There is very little at present. Know two lads that sell silage and both have there stocks fully booked up. One lad has deposits take off lads that are not regular customers.

    No better off loading the cattle they still left a margin it's hard to chase extra margin when adding expense into the system as well as delay in getting more cattle into the finishing group.

    Perfect storm for my system over the last 12 months. Cattle did not thrive as much last autumn, housed earlier and still in later. No spring thrive. The first loss is usually the cheapest loss.

    Very few beef farmers will be caught by the fertlizer rules. Ya a good few have not soil samples done. Most beef farmers are operating within GLAS/ACRES fertlizer rules for years. Grass is just not growing, look at the lawn did you cut it twice in any week this year..…sh!t how often did you cut it twice in any fortnight this year so far

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    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭stanflt


    if fresh 1400 excellent weed free covers are only testing 75dmd how is weed infested grass going to test the same- rule of thumb you lose 2 points of dmd ever 15hours the grass is mowed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭stanflt


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    3rd cut grass which will struggle to reach 70dmd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭visatorro


    3rd cut last year 73.90 dmd. Made on 7th of August



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Thought second cuts came on this week abit they will prob be flattened on sat 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Knocked grass there before this shot of rain.

    Am I better of tedding out today once rain clears before raking up tomorrow evening and baling?

    Is it better in the swarth when raining?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It Is better in the swart if it's raining. The water is more likely to run off and a lesser area gets water on it.

    Ya i

    You can ted out after it stops raining.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Rain cleared up, so I'll ted out this evening and rake and bale tomorrow after dinner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭Jb1989




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    anyone taking the plunge this week have second cut 7weeks since first cut. It could probably do with one more week but this week looks ok and the week after not so much so may be better to have it baled.

    IMG_9235.jpeg IMG_9239.jpeg

    It done well the last two weeks but with the cold weather it wasn’t as good as it could have being. But should be very nice stuff



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Tileman


    yea have some down here. Was a great afternoon. Wind and sun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    we had some very heavy showers but 5mins down the road there was none. Hopefully all the showers have passed now for a few days and lads can get all finished up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    Going knocking Tomo , going to have another go, good growth last two weeks before that poor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    have some to do next week. Every crop this year is flattened from rain. Some pain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    have some hay meadows fairly low input I’m gona knock them along with the second cut. Knock the hay on the head for another year. Wil feed dry cows anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Going to bale the last of the second cut Tuesday. Knocking it this evening. 20 acres. Fertilized 6 and a half weeks. Looks like Nice stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    will you need a 3rd cut or are you covered now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    No I’d say that’ll do. Pitted the second cut two weeks ago. So the pit is full too. Not gone on 3rd cuts here. Usually end up with bales of water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


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    second cut on the floor. Lift it Thursday. Seems good stuff. Heavier than i thought it was although it has shrunk well this evening



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    7 acres down here. Mowed Monday evening and will bale tomorrow afternoon. Newly reseeded so heavy enough. Got 3 bags of cut sward and 2500 gallons of slurry after first cut.
    it’s a bit headed out in places but weather didn’t allow to cut any sooner. Just glad to get this spell.



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