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Battery - to take advantage of 2am to 5am cheap rate electricity - v2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Very annoying there isn't a proper v2h charger out there (by proper I mean not €5000) we also have a 40kw leaf just sitting there on the driveway without doing anything where it could be dumping 20kwh a day or more into the grid 😭

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I heard that rangetherapy crowd in Wicklow are now offering a CHAdeMO V2H setup. Not sure if I would recommend them though. I didn't like their Muxsan kit install pricing and the way they dismissed questions about insurance.

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Saw that solaredge will release a bidirectional charger later this year but guess what, CCS only.

    However, you can now get a chademo to CCS adapter, https://insideevs.com/news/708385/chademo-adapter-youtube-safety/ but I doubt it allows to take power out.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    got a quote from GobelPower this week, sharing if helpful to folks

    With JK200 BMS (2A active balancer) €2400 delivered duty paid

    With PC200 BMS (4A Bluetooth active balancer) €2457 delivered duty paid

    Any views on whether PC200 worth the extra €57?

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    You're paying 1200 for the case and BMS (if going by nkon prices), sounds steep.

    Think I paid the same for 3 cases and 3 jkbms 200a from alibaba

    Post edited by graememk on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    JK has bluetooth too. There is not a lot of added value in 4A over 2A active balancing. JK is well known and trusted. Save yourself the €57

    Nice deal BTW, it is roughly the same as the Seplos kit that has been for sale for around that price for many months, but only with delivery to NI. And with the dreaded Seplos BMS, not the superior JK

    I believe Gobelpower are now selling 1kWh cells for $50 too. Tax included but very slow and very expensive shipping extra.

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Would definitely go for the jk bms with 2A balancing over the other option. Other option is a pace bms with neey balancer. Better value and imo better bms

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'd be weary of any solution that needs to have double the number of balance wires. That's an additional 16 points of failure

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Completely agree, maybe I worded my post wrong but was saying jk bms would be my preference. Balancing along with bms functions in one over the pace bms and neey.

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    That's not good advise for homeowners 14kw continuous loading on a 12kva supply

    Some of this diy stuff is madness . Only a matter of time before insurance clamp down or there's a serious incident

    Post edited by graememk on


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Who says it's DIY,

    5kW inverter, 3kW immersion, and 7kW on a car charger. (With a load balance/max grid set at 60 amps).

    If that's all been installed properly, everything should be easily able to take it.

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    All my stuff is installed by a RECI. You are one too, are you?

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    14kw continuous loading on a 12kva supply will create a hazard at the main board for many homeowners

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Im a retired REC with 30+ yrs experience

    You said you were using 14kw continuous on a 12kva supply ?

    That will create a hazard in a lot of installations

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Things have changed a lot in the last few years. Electricity use is, or will be, very different in a typical household compared to when you were still working in the field. People are moving from combustion cars to EVs (which are mostly charged at home at night) and people are moving from heating their homes and their water with fossil or solid fuels to using electric heat pumps or other electric heating like far infrared panels. Some people have electric showers using 9-10kW each when on. People will have batteries to store cheap and green renewable night electricity to use during the day. People will have solar PV panels on their roofs. I do most of the above, but still have a gas boiler which will be replaced with a heat pump in the next few years

    On a personal level, as I said, all my installs are done by a RECI. And thankfully I have Myenergi hardware, which prevents my system overloading because of their built in load balancing. Without it, it is likely my consumer unit 63A fuse, which is standard for houses with a 12kVA MIC (ESB fuse is 80A), would pop

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    14kw continuous loading on a 12kva supply can create a hazard

    That fact hasn't changed

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's a bit of a generic statement. Of course some maybe old or faulty installs would not be up to the task. A 12kVA MIC has an ESB fuse of 80A, which won't pop unless you use well over 20kW. So the ESB disagrees with you.

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    You're confusing esbn fuse with consumers main over current protection which is a 63amp neozed fuse in your case

    That is the most likely point at which issues will arise at the neozed main switch fuse due to overheating

    It may also cause problems elsewhere at the main board or the meter cabinet or elsewhere in the installation

    You're also operating over the 12kva mic and an installation would be liable to have excessive voltage drop at other points depending on the installation

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Can you expand on that drury? I'm not saying your wrong (in fact if anything from my own knowledge I'd in more inclined to agree with you) but I'm wondering why this is a problem NOW as opposed to in the past where we've all had ovens and hobs on, along with radiators/showers (good olde Trition T90 is 9kw - albeit not continuous)

    If the MCB (usually 65a) or the main fuse 80A were/are not tripping why is it a problem?. Or let me rephrase that, if it is a problem, are the current ratings set too high? 14kw at a nominal 230v is ~60A

    Again, more interested in understanding your viewpoint than siding on any specific side of the debate.

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    See above

    Neozed main fuses are notorious for overheating and burning out

    Especially 14kw continuous for 3 hours every night

    The sizing of the esbn fuse is an irrelevance here

    Post edited by graememk on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Neozed fuses are notorious for fires and overheating on sustained heavy loads

    Problems can also arise elsewhere

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'm not confusing anything, thank you. My mains voltage is very stable, I rarely see it more than plus or minus 5V from 235V. The grid limit settings in my Myenergi hardware is set to 63A. In my near 25 years living in this house since it was built new, neither ESB fuse nor my consumer unit fuse has ever popped.

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    My point stands

    14kw loading on a 12kva supply is not to be recommended and can be hazardous

    The rest is irrelevant

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If ESBn didn't want anyone to load 14kW on a 12kVA MIC (63A), they would have mandated lower rated consumer unit fuses. You are simply scaremongering.

    Post edited by graememk on

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    There's a lot of confusion recently around capacity and fuses to do with car charging etc.

    People looking to max out the esbn fuse etc.

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Theres loads of real world examples of 10-13 kw of night storage causing fires and burnout

    I've seen loads of burnt out fuses first hand from these type conditions

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭idc


    Was going to ask what would be an acceptable continuous usage to prevent overheating?
    But based on your link from ESBN would that mean that for a 12kVa line we should really only be using max 10.8 - 10.9kW ?

    Maybe this document is more appropriate for domestic users
    https://www.esbnetworks.ie/new-connections/understanding-connection-capacity
    but based on that max demand is 52 amps which is 11.96kW. So for a domestic user it appears using 52 amps continuously would be allowed ? (it mentions averaged over 10 minutes it does not mention continuous hours usages!)

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Whether you will encounter problems at 14kw continuous loading will depend on the installation conditions etc

    I only made 1 point that it's not a recommended practice

    It's there in black and white above. You're exceeding the upper limit

    Post edited by graememk on


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I wouldn't have one of them neozed fuses in my house. They are a fire risk.

    But on a modern install with properly sized tails, properly rated main MCB.

    As for storage heaters they would be pulling 10-13 kW for 9 hrs never mind 3-4. Possibly on 10mm2 tails too!

    Post edited by graememk on


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