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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    After Ringrose game v SA I think he has firmly positioned himself back as the 13, it will be interesting to see what options they pick moving forward but Barrett is only for 6 months and the injury records of the centres would suggest one will probably be unavailable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭50HX


    Barrett/Ringrose centres imo

    Ringrose is a better 13 than henshaw & barrett is a better 12 than henshaw

    He could go to 14 on a fully stacked team

    Can't ever see him at 10, he is not a 10 & there would be uproar if he did

    Enjoy him, it'll be great to see a current All Black playing here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,964 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think Henshaw is better than Ringrose tbh. He disriputes the ball better, and has a better kicking game. Ringrose is probably better at leading the defensive line, but it's a marginal difference imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,233 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Ringrose will likely remain club (co-)captain so suspect unlikely he is dropped if fit and firing. The reality is its probably unlikely all these options will be fit and/or available at same time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Ringrose finished the second SA test at 14, w Henshaw at 13 and big Stu at 12 in a very good backline. It’s one way to get the best players on the field w Barrett in the mix. Farrell seems to get an extra few prevent out of many of these Leinster players.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Tell you something for free.

    A lot of people have/ had reservations about Prendergasts size.

    Frawley posted a pic on his instagram with all the half backs. Sam towers over them all! It was the first thing I noticed.

    I know when you're stood beside Casey that isn't exactly a difficult thing…

    I also appreciate that a photo tells only a fraction of a picture and there are mild perspective things at play here. But it's interesting visually to see how much taller Sam is than Frawley and Crowley and even how much broader he looks too.

    Preview link is weird - it's the 6th pic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Think some of that is camera angle too. Murray also looks like an absolute unit and whilst big (especially for a half back) I’d probably put him as the same size as Frawley although you wouldn’t think it from that photo. No doubt Prendergast is a big fella. All about how he uses that size in defence which seems to be one concern from his underage days. I’ve no doubt he’ll develop it.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The reservations about prendergasts size is not about his height, it's about his weight.

    He will develop into his frame



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    It’s the height to width ratio I think people have focused on, Sam Prendergast has long thin legs compared to his height. It’s a perception that thin long legs are easier to tackle.
    It remains to be seen how he carries himself, his height and weight are both well above average for a 10.
    I should add that in my opinion there’s nothing in it, just people making comments based on his appearance. Sure it’s the same for Casey, he was too small until he wasn’t!



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    nah not for me.

    wiki has frawley at 91, irish rugby and leinster has him at 92, all rugby has him at 98, as has ultimate rugby.

    wiki, leinster and all rugby has sam at 91

    looking at both i can definitely see Frawley having 5 or 6 kgs on Sam

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The entire "physicality" argument around Prendergast essentially boils down to "he's got small calves". Which, sure, but who cares? His issues in defence were ones of technique and attitude, not physical attributes - and they have already improved a good bit even if it is still not a strength of his.

    He's 6'4, he's very usually tall for a 10.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,239 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    But it is relative to height. He is taller than Frawley. It's not just about the dead weight of a player, it has to be the right proportions.

    Prendergast is still quite slight in his frame, he's not skinny but he will surely have to bulk up some more. Not unexpected given his age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    This is 100% it for me.

    I haven't seen his lack of physical strength be an issue thus far in his defending, more his positioning and his willingness.

    I really hope I'm wrong on this - but so far he hasn't struck me as a guy who loves the physical hitting in the way you ideally want him to.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    bots are getting the AI treatment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Leinster teasing the new home kit, logos all looks to be sewed on which is nice! Shame their gear is so pricey



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Bit rich getting a deal with a company that makes shoddy gear, raking in the sponsorship cash and letting them charge nosebleed prices for the kit.

    Benefits of a captive AAA fan base I guess.



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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Last seasons jerseys were going for 27 euro the other day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭DelMcG


    So home kits no longer last for two seasons now? I know there have been a few exceptions like the last Adidas kit was a one season jersey but that was the last year of a five year deal. Most previous home kits covered two seasons, yes? (I know the alternates and the European kits may have changed more regularly than that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    There was some great value on the online shop throughout the season. Picked up the hoody in a black Friday offer for €30. Delighted with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Best uncapped side now that Osborne's an international:

    1. Michael Milne
    2. Lee Barron
    3. Thomas Clarkson
    4. Brian Deeny
    5. Conor O'Tighearnaigh
    6. Alex
    7. Scott Penny
    8. James Culhane
    9. Cormac Foley
    10. Sam Prendergast
    11. Robert Russell
    12. Ben Brownlee
    13. Liam Turner
    14. Tommy O'Brien
    15. Henry McErlean
    16. John McKee
    17. Jack Boyle
    18. Rory McGuire
    19. Diarmuid Mangan
    20. Martin Moloney
    21. Fintan Gunne
    22. Charlie Tector
    23. Andrew Osborne

    Who will be next to be capped? Prendergast is probably the most likely.

    Will Boyle have a big season and overtake Milne? The latter's scrummaging was such an Achilles heel towards the end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, Prendergast will hopefully pick up a cap in November.

    Whoever emerges at loosehead between Milne and Boyle then looks likely, and hopefully Tommy O'Brien if he can stay healthy.

    It's hard to see anyone else then as especially close. I guess Tom Clarkson by virtue of the position he plays (and if he can continue his upward trajectory).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Best uncapped side is a funny enough concept as there's only 14 senior players still uncapped ha.

    (Actually as I type it I realise I'm going by Leinster site which isn't up to date on academy grads. Boyle got promoted so 15 that I count)

    Prendergast surely in line for International minutes this November against Fiji or someone else fitness depending to others.

    South Africa cemented a pretty clear pecking order for Farrell in Green of Crowley, Frawley and Prendergast (this could obviously change)

    One maybe for the Ulster or Ireland thread but Aiden Morgan is a totally unknown quantity. I am NOT calling for him to be capped this November but he might go straight on the Emerging tour, and if he does well you never know. Stranger things have happened and Farrell (but now Easterby for the mo) is not afraid to make big calls.

    Boyle started last season extremely strongly and Leinster looks to be managing his development quite well. His scrummaging performances were largely good but I am cognisant of fact that I had no previous performances to rate him on. He was a totally blank slate. Hopefully he starts this season and shows himself as a solid contender for European rugby.

    As you said, Milne kinda forgot how to scrummage towards the end of last season. If I'm Boyle I'm looking at him saying that jersey is mine.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Prendergast is locked in against Fiji, the only real question is whether he gets gametime in one of the other matches as well. Wouldn't be shocked to see him on the bench against Arg.

    I think anyone who goes on the EI tour is in with a shot of gametime against Fiji, albeit it small for most of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I wonder how well Morgan (1.72m, 82kg) handles the physicality. He's barely bigger than Michael Lowry (1.70m, 79kg). Might be better also if he was allowed to find his feet with Ulster through getting a run of games rather than being taken out of the set up soon after joining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,964 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I hope Frawley is given a game at 12, possibly with Osborne at 13. They've worked well together for Leinster, be nice to see him in his best position for once



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    #.jpg

    new jersey



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