?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

JD wins the prize as top boot licker then.

The president of the biggest union in the US just spoke at the RNC there, praising members of the Republican party. This seems unprecedented

He really is a gift for the Democrats. If they had to pick a running mate for Trump it would have been him.

Massive own goal who will just turn off the Independent voters Trump needs.

Also what sort of lad runs on a ticket with a guy he labelled "Americas Hitler".

What an absolute snake.

The president of the biggest union in the US just spoke at the RNC there, praising members of the Republican party. This seems unprecedented

Not really, he will also speak at the Democratic Convention next month. He is hedging his bets and using what leverage he has.

If he endorses Trump, it will be very little to do with what is best for members and he won't last very long in that position.

Okay, but VP pick ultimately doesn't mean much to independents. They'll swing to Trump because "Biden has dementia" or because Trump "looked cool" after the assassination attempt or whatever base reason it's really not much more cerebral than that.

It reminds me of 2016, when warning signs were flashing and commentators were discussing the finer details of Clinton's policies and political record - when in reality a large blob of swing voters just saw "A woman can't be president, she has weird expressions and something something email".

RTE had an analyst on saying Vance was a good pick for a number of reasons - one of which was that JD Vance will lock in the “rust belt” states

That's the kicker, Trump doesn't need a "woman of color" as VP. Any other candidate in his situation? Sure. But Trump bucks all that.

People need to throw any all the manuals at this stage, especially the Dems, they are sleeping walking into a loss.

That and the fact he parrots Kremlin talking points.

If someone had told me growing up we would have Russian Sympathisers running for POTUS I would have suggested one needs help.

A good analogy is Trump (truth social) stock, by all financial definitions it should be almost worthless now, however it isn't. Why? Because it doesn't follow normal rules of logic.

It's an inflated fake price.

It has about 2 millions users.

I watch lads on YouTube doing basic DIY that have more subscribers.

The reality is their is less conservatives then there was in 2016 and a high portion of those are never Trumpers. We just had one who tried to kill him.

I read a stat the other day that pointed out 20 million voters in 2016 have since died and replaced with 32 million younger voters. Trumps base has shrunk.

If the election was tomorrow and you gave me a grand to bet, I'd hedge it on both.

Polls will narrow if the Democrats manage to get the key issues out there and Biden of course doesn't have a stroke mid sentence.

The reality is the candidates are not being changed now barring something spectacular happening.

It looks like the democrats are almost accepting that they can't win after the attempted assassination of Trump. My guess is he Trump also has a new "PR" team who are managing him better and winning over the fence sitters.

Therefore, rather than be seen as the person who lost to Trump, Harris, Newsom & Whitmer are all looking to 2028 at this point when Trump will be out of the picture.

It doesn't really matter that they're not traditional Republicans. They are now the Republican party. I don't know where these traditional Republicans have gone - died out, become MAGA, become apolitical or started voting Democrat - maybe a bit of each, but they're not a factor.

If it had been explained to your younger self that the Russians would drop Communism and become a quasi-dictatorial crony capitalist oligarchy with supremacy of one religion and ethnic group over the others, maybe you might have said that the American Republicans warming up to them a bit made some sense.

I don't think Trump is losing sleep over 50 percent of the 20-30 percent she got in some of those primaries not voting for him. I seem to recall he said something to that effect, but I'd have to find the quote. He seems confident that he has got the numbers.

Anyway, if all these disgruntled traditional Republicans are out there, then by all means they should make their voices heard. They have not done so in the Republican primaries where Trump walked it and it doesn't look like they're going to show up against Trump in November either in those states where the outcome is still unsure.

MAGA’s messiah dodged a bullet. Kiss goodbye to any environmental protection, workers rights, regulation of any kind.
Project 2025 to create a theocratic state.
I don’t think anything can stop him now, unfortunately.
I don’t understand how ordinary people can’t see that he and his party are just out to enrich themselves but screwing and stealing from them.

Yeah the internal push to have Biden replaced as candidate has all but stopped after the assassination attempt. They probably figure it's not winnable at this stage

I agree with your points on paper, but America is not in that realm anymore

The average American voter who can't decide whether or not to vote for Trump is not a smart or savvy person. They'll vote with their gut, who do you think is really reaching those voters right now? A guy who seems like he has dementia, or a man who was holding his fist up during an assassination attempt?

Trump can be a bigot, a liar, a sex offender, a felon, a racist - none of it means anything when it comes to that all important margin because "Biden is old", or "Harris who?"

I've heard so many off the cuff comments from people that all the Dems need to do is wheel out "a middle aged tall white man with a full head of hair". Can laugh but at this stage they aren't wrong.

If we want to play the numbers game, Clinton was decently ahead in polling average all the way up to election day. Biden is on average 2 points behind, when more polls come out this week he'll be 4 points behind.

If the Dems keep on their current out-of-touch course, it's Trump's election to lose. He doesn't even have to do anything, he can drop the next debate without consequence and can quip that he "has it won and can't understand what the hell the other guy is saying".