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N5 - Ballaghaderreen to Scramoge [underway]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Even in Texas they're pushing for densification, carpooling, road tolling and other measures to reduce car traffic. There's really no place left on earth where people think more roads are the answer.

    It's time we gave up on the delusion that everyone should be able to travel from their own driveway to a parking space right outside the front door of their destination, no matter where that happens to be.

    Our most depressing rural towns are so crap because their main streets are just long carparks.. the space taken up with cars means there's zero incentive to walk around, so people just drive right up to the place they need to go, then drive away again, and the vicious cycle continues..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The parking outside the door thing is a big bugbear of mine and I think it's behind a lot of these protests. A lot of people get upset if they have to walk an extra 20 yards to a shop and then the business owners fear that the customer will go elsewhere. Pure lazy entitlement. Disabled drivers are obviously a separate case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭elchupanebrey


    See it all the time, people drive from Dunnes to Tesco where i live, despite the fact the carparks are separated by a kerb only and walking would be quicker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,497 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Plenty of shopping centre carparks clamp you if you leave the centre; so sometimes this is required to avoid that. If I wasn't willing to risk it for a few minutes at a retail park with multiple different clamping enforcements yesterday I would have needed to park up three times with short drives between.

    (Not going to reply to any replies about 'maybe some people don't need the car at all', I already know that and you're wasting your own time)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    As the RosCoCo statement in the above article points out, there isn't a set number of parking spaces in Strokestown, so claims that parking is being reduced is complete nonsense. At present, large vehicles parking parallel to the road take up a significant number of parking spaces, as seen here. Most of the "destinations" in the town already have car parks which would be unaffected by the proposals (SPH, Supervalu, the schools, Primary Care Centre, the playground/preschool, Percy French hotel).

    What do these protesters even want? Widest street in the country and getting almost €8m to do it up but they want the place kept as an ocean of tarmac.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    At this point they should cancel the whole project and spend the money in a community that might welcome an improvement to the public realm. Of course if they did that we'd never hear the end of how "rural Ireland" is being ignored. Sometimes you just can't win.

    Anyway even though I don't travel the M5 that often I will look forward to the bypass being built so I never have to worry about Strokestown again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭user1842




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Reuben1210


    I think by 'virtually' you really mean 'relatively'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Jayuu




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Some welcome aerial shots courtesy of Roscommon County Council. Not sure of the exact locations.



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,978 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    not sure about the second 2 but I think the first one is along the road from Strokestown to Elphin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭TnxM17


    Yes, you are correct regarding the first picture - its Lugboy, between Elphin & Strokestown. That is the R368 that's in the foreground and the shot is facing southeast. Works on the road are visible on Google street view taken in May.

    Second photograph is taken right above current N5 at Cashel between Frenchpark & Bellanagare. The view is to the east of the current N5 looking towards southeast. Again, Google street view shows work on road.

    Third photograph is at Dungar outside Frenchpark looking towards the northwest. The L5629 is in the foreground and in the background is where the new N5 will tie in with the existing N5. Google street view of works here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Love it when photos start appearing on infrastructure threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    Will there be overtaking lanes on this new stretch of road? I’d be a firm believer in looking to the future. I don’t believe any new national primary road should be anything less than a 2+2 dual standard as per Turlough-Westport.

    The traditional wide road with a hard shoulder each side is just as dangerous. I see it every day, overtaking slow vehicles, oncoming traffic pulling over on their side. It’s mental stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Don't think there are many if any overtaking lanes but I could be wrong.

    Agreed on the SC point. That's why Type 2 DC's have become more favourable than SCs in many locations. Much safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Ah its the most Irish thing ever and does my head in.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This road is currently carrying 5.8k AADT for 2024 at Frenchpark. That's bang on 50% capacity of the new road when built, assuming traffic volumes stay the same (local traffic will keep to the existing N5, but certain traffic may now prefer the N5 if they were going via the M17 before etc). It wouldn't really make sense to build a 2+2 here given the additional width and bridging costs etc.

    The horse has well and truly bolted on this one but an alternative may have been to either:

    a) upgrade the N17 from Tuam to Claremorris and a major upgrade to the N60 between Castlebar and Claremorris and route N5 traffic via the M17/M6. The existing routing is only 10 minutes longer than the existing N5 route and would also have been a major upgrade for Galway/Limerick/Cork → Mayo traffic. It wouldn't have helped for Ballina based traffic though

    b) upgrade the R370 and route the N5 to the N4 at Carrick on Shannon instead of Longford. This was the plan B should the archaelogical issues at Rathcrogan have proved impossible to overcome. This would have been c. 22km and the remainder would be upgraded as part of the N4 Mullingar-Longford and Carrick-Dromod schemes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭serfboard


    In relation to point a), a newish bus service, the 721, already uses the route going from Castlebar to Dublin Airport via Claremorris and Tuam and using the motorway from there on. It also takes advantage of the recently upgraded N60 between Claremorris and Balla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The AADT figures and capacity are not always the drivers for DC upgrades. The new offline Westport Turlough N5 route was built to DC standard for safety reasons not traffic volumes. The same logic can apply to the N17 which is one of the most dangerous roads in the country. It would also signal that the government is serious about balanced regional development by linking the 2 biggest population centres in the west.

    I agree that the DC ship may have sailed for the foreseeable future but it's important to clarify the various reasons for roads are upgrades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    I live on an L road in south Mayo and since the M17 opened the traffic increase is very noticeable as motorists now use various local roads outside Ballinrobe/Kilmaine/Shrule/Hollymount as rat runs to zig zag their way into Tuam and onto the motorway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    The section bypassing Tulsk is a good distance from the existing crossroads. I'm guessing this means the crossroads ain't getting upgraded to a roundabout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭paulbok


    I wonder if once the new N5 is completed, could we see a change of priority to that junction in Tulsk? With the Roscommon to Boyle road becoming straight through and the downgraded Strokestown to Ballinagare getting junctions?

    Probably would still need some sort of realignment works to do that safely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I was thinking the same thing. Might stay away from it the first few weeks until the locals get used to it 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Probably cheaper to build a roundabout.

    Given the state of the effort roscommon coco got for the roundabout at Bealnamulla, I'm not optimistic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Covieland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    One of my main concerns with this project has always been that it would get bogged down, literally, due to deep peat excavation. I assumed this was one of the reasons for the long construction timeframe of 4 years.

    I came across a map today which shows this actually shouldn't be a major issue, which is great news.

    The new N5 will run south of Frenchpark, then across to Elphin and down to Strokestown. The only area where it will run through peatland is near Frenchpark, and only for a short distance. Hopefully this increases the odds that this project will be completed far sooner than the 4 year contract period.

    Map extract courtesy of Teagasc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭paulbok


    I have in-laws where the new road crosses the R369, and he was speaking with one of the engineers recently. General chit chat on how they were getting on, as they looked back towards Strokestown the engineer said " back that way is as good as ground conditions as you can get. Looking the other way, he said it's pretty much the worst".

    Some boggy land as well to traverse around the back of Strokestown Park house out towards the Scramogue tie in, which hasn't been touched yet and could throw up some curveballs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I'd have assumed most of the route was bog and marshland too. If that's not the case I think there's a very good change it will be done ahead of schedule. Wills have often completed projects ahead of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Must be nearly 1 year of the project gone by now? Think it was September contracts were signed (but could be wrong). They were slow getting started after that as well.

    Correction: it was November.

    Strokestown to that R369 junction (~8 to 10km) should be straightforward, though they do have a section of hill outside Strokestown to level out/terrace.

    The 3km or so back from Strokestown to Scramogue has a bit of bog to traverse and two bridges to build. I've a suspicion that as they haven't started work on that section yet, they may leave the bulk of it until the spring, concentrating resources on the boggy ground over Frenchpark side.

    I'd hazard a guess it'll be open around Easter or early summer 2027 unless disaster conditions pop-up.



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