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Republic of Ireland General Discussion Thread 2025 [CLOSED THREAD]

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I have to say, given the length of the process this appointment is absolutely bizarre.

    I’ve nothing against the guy, apart from the length of his name. Let’s see how he does

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Has a competent CV at international level which is good, a risk perhaps but we are in no position to be dining at the top table for managers.


    Marc Canham and and FAI once again come out looking pretty foolishly, timelines and previous comments not adding up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Randomfriend


    I know we've been told to move on, but just to let you all know, I've worked freelance with the FAI and know a few of the staff.

    The fella doing the interview is one of the heads of communications and does all media with the senior men's team, he's been with the men's team since Kenny got the gig, but has worked with the FAI in other roles previous, it has always been his job. Anyone giving out about it has literally not been paying any attention for the last 5 years, he's at every press conference and does tons of interviews.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Thanks for the helpful information.

    Mod: if anyone does want to give out about it, please don't do it here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Considering folk couldn't hack Hendrix, McLean, Obamadele or Molubmbfphy, Hallgrimsson will see some extravagant attempts I'm sure



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sopranos quote: “Hallgrímsson, if ever there was a guy that needed a f uckin’ nickname” thing with hands.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Randomfriend




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Also Hendricks along with the Hendrix for Jazzy Jeff. Bazuna instead of Bazunu and even Kelleher gets called something like Kellogher as if he's named after a box of cornflakes.

    Just on the pronunciation of Heimir Hallgrímsson I saw this online if anyone was wondering how his name is properly said.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,592 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    impressive press conference, the fact he is confident and clear in his communication very refreshing after the torturous nature of Kenny’s interviews



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Can we not just call him The Gaffer and be done with it.....oh that brings back some painful memories 😫



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,645 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Decent little RTE interview with an Icelandic journo here;



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    Let's see how he is 6 months into TOD asking him mind-meltingly asinine questions.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Have Halgrimmson and Johnathan Hill ever been seen in the same room?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Looking back, it should come as not much of a surprise that the two most successful managers we've had in the last 20 years (Trap and MoN) both recognised that the Irish team can't really play nice football and be successful. I say that in a relative sense. Obviously, they can ping it about in training and whatnot, but watching Irish players try to control a flighted pass in a pressure match situation has long been painful. They're all elbows and knees, taking about three touches to get it down, by which time an opposing defender has caught them. Passes along the deck are too often inaccurate and begging to be picked off by opposition who can read the play. They never have that smooth touch that seems to come naturally to even middling national teams from the continent. In short, nice passing football is still not a strength in the Irish game, although we all await the day when a crop of players is produced who can manage it.

    Until that day, the most success will be extracted by making the team defensively solid and tough to beat. It may not be so nice to watch, but it's the best bet to get the team to tournaments which the public so dearly want to see the team participate in, so for the new manager to talk about getting the basics right is the correct footing to start on.

    The people who used to say 'I don't care about the result as long as the team tries to play' will stay quiet for a while, as we got plenty of this attempted under Kenny, and the team's standing in world football has been duly reflected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    the dirty secret of the Kenny era was that it was terrible to watch. Playing out from the back when unable to do so is extremely uncomfortable to witness. I honestly support the effort to do so but it was a mitigated disaster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    Maybe I'm looking back at it with rose-tinted glasses, but the iirc football under MON wasn't terrible up until a couple of games into the 2018 WC qualifiers. Like obviously, we turtled up against the likes of Germany, which is fine & sensible. But we played a bit of football against the likes of Georgia, Scotland and Bosnia. I also remember us playing Sweden off the park for 50 minutes until we scored and then dropping back to try and hold onto it and let them equalise.

    It seems to only be after that the concept that Ireland are too rubbish to play football ever against anyone became a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    we might be talking about this lad a lot over the coming years. 2 worldies in a forthnight. I dare say the window dressing exercise of Hallgrimsson going to dalymount would have been better if relocated to turners cross


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    No, it wasn't terrible, but his footballing philosophy in charge of Ireland started with being defensively solid, and then taking a few chances in the final third where even if mistakes are made, they're less likely to be as punishable as a square pass on the deck in your own half.

    But the idea that Irish players can't play (in the sense that they're average journeymen professionals) has been around since at least Trapattoni, where it was clear that he really didn't trust them to knock it about with success. And, yes, I agree that Trapattoni's view was too pessimistic of the team's ability many times, but it was, and is, broadly correct to say that they cannot pass it consistently well against good opposition and/or in pressure situations, so it shouldn't be a hallmark of the team's style, rather reserved for short bursts like in counter attacks or pressing high up the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,405 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I'd agree.

    Plenty of good football was played.

    Trap's era was a step below.

    Exactly this.

    I was never enthralled.

    Way too many pointless passes in our own box, go one behind, get desperate and go long anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Only for he's under contract till the end of next season Hoffenheim would likely be ringing his phone in the morning. Signed his ex teammate Matthew Moore last summer and Shels Finn Sherlock this summer.

    Both moved at 16 so only entitled to compensation per FIFA regulations. Dan McDonnell was over with them the other writing a piece about them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    MON **** the bed midway through that campaign. Given the start we had drawing away to Serbia and beating Austria away we really should have topped that group. The performance away to Austria was good with Wes showing his class.

    Losing Coleman didn't help really. Probably made MON more cautious but even when we went 2-0 up against Moldova before 20mins, if I'm not mistaken they hadn't conceded two goals in a game that early until then. Rather than go for a third and fourth we sat back and defended. Believe Harry Arter did his dying swan impression to get someone sent off late in the game.

    Then that playoff game I'd say broke him. I know we had to score two goals in that second half but MON went full harakiri with those half time changes. Gave Eriksson free reign to finish us off.

    As for 2018 itself, I think that's a year in football he'll never want to remember. Thought we were getting some change up as he used 352 in some friendlies and even played Callum O'Dowda as the attacking midfielder of the trio.

    Whether Rice leaving played a part in it or being the first competitive game since the 5-1 he went straight defensive against Wales. Played a crippled Walters up front in a 442 with Robinson and Wales spanked us. We made Ethan Ampadu look like Ruud Gullit that night. After that he went ultra defensive till he was sacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Genoa sold their first choice keeper to Inter this summer so are in the market for a new number one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    he could just pretend that it gets lost in translation and numb out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    It's the Georgia game away that I remember as the turning point (although we'd already drawn at home with Austria and Wales at that point, now that I look).

    We went 1-0 up after about 3 minutes and then tried to defend the lead instead of pushing on. Of course they equalised and then we didn't get going again. This 2 years before Kvaratskhelia had made his debut for Georgia, remember. Really should've pushed on and beat them.

    We still finished 2nd in a group with some decent teams in it despite dropping the ball several times. We'd kill for that now.

    Then the away playoff game against Denmark was possibly the worst game of football I can remember watching. A fascinating tactical battle between the Irish approach of hoofing it forward and the Danish approach of passing it around the back for a bit, and then hoofing it forward. The average bottom of the table clash in the Irish First Division is better.

    And the second leg. I really don't understand what happened here. 2-1 down at Half Time and he empties the midfield. I think he left Hendrick, who's not exactly known for his holding ability, as the only central midfielder on the pitch. I guess Hoolahan was supposed to help him out? But Hoolahan had only played 1 or 2 games as a deep center mid in his Ireland career as far as I remember. And then to round it out, he failed to tie Rice down with a competitive cap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,405 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    It's funny that you look on the WC 2018 campaign no negatively.

    We had our first competitive away wins against countries of note for about 15 years (Austria and Wales) and also had fairly credible draws at home to Austria and away to Serbia.

    Drawing with Wales at home and losing to Serbia at home were the real kickers for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    thanks, he’s an exciting talent. Need to see a cork game on LOI tv to get a look at him over a full game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    It's not that the results were bad when looked at retrospectively. No the results were fine.

    It's that it could've and arguably should have been better. The start we had, the ability in the team, the confidence - they were there. We should've won the group and automatically qualified. But MON seemed to lose his confidence mid way through.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    ability in the team. Who would you class as a highly able footballer from that group?



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