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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's a good result. Fair play for the effort in following up. Good to hear a positive experience with the Gardai. Hopefully the stress of having Gardai knock on his door, having to engage solicitor and barrister, deal with the paperwork, take time off work to attend court, wonder if a Judge will come down like a tonne of bricks, the cost of defending the prosecution and the fine, and the penalty points and the endorsement on his record, the impact on his insurance premium will give him pause to think next time he decides to treat the roads as his personal race track.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    good result, and it only took two years!

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    they did in the comments on the youtube video!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Were you hoping you were going to spring the signs on the barrister?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,465 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I had that one day. Was on one of the Dublin bikes and a guy in a work van did a very dangerous manoeuvre. He just started shouting at me that I had no high vis or helmet. It is just deflection and being unable to accept responsibility of their actions. Fairly minor issue in your case so bit weird that she made an issue of it.

    On the bell issue I tend to give it a ring when well back to alert people of my presence. 9 times out of 10 they have headphones on or head in phone and they don't hear it or react.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    I forgot to turn off my invisibility cloak this morning

    https://streamable.com/lj277j

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It seems to me that you made no real effort to slow down until the last minute.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    She's legally not required to be aware of her surroundings if she's operating a mobile phone whilst walking. He's clearly visually impaired - hence the sunglasses on such a gloomy day.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    as an aside, amazing quality footage… have heard mixed reviews about cycliq cameras - has reliability improved in recent times? A bike camera is next on my shopping list

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    Wasn’t entirely sure what traffic (if any) was in the lane to my right, and that junction to the left is terrible for sight lines so have to keep half an eye on that at all times. On top of all that, there was always a chance that they’d stop short of the bike lane and cross after I’d passed instead of blindly continuing across (as the guy did when he started crossing and then stopped to let an e-scooter past)


    The Cycliq camera is pretty good alright. Low light performance isn’t great. I’ve had it for about a year and use it in all weathers, but have found a little bit of water has worked its way past the seal on occasion.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I dunno, two wrongs don't make a right, you could see them long before you had to heavy brake, why not slow earlier?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,107 ✭✭✭standardg60


    My two cents, you're completely in the wrong there. They were already crossing so have priority, it would have been different if they'd stepped off the kerb from the left.

    Why would you think they should have stopped short of the bike lane? It's just another lane same as the others so needs to be viewed as if you'd been in a car, they're not a special entitlement to plough on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    You’d be wrong.

    46. (1) A pedestrian shall exercise care and take all reasonable precautions in order to avoid causing danger or inconvenience to traffic and other pedestrians.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print#article49

    Your argument would be correct if I had moved off from stationary and they were already crossing per:

    (2) When starting from a stationary position a driver shall yield the right of way to other traffic and pedestrians.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    No they are not, they were crossing just as you came into view. I'm surprised you can't see that. Bring it to a Garda, at the very least you are getting an FPN for not having reasonable consideration. Legalities aside, there is no call for it whatsoever, it's basically the same thing as a punishment pass that many posters here have been guilty of.

    Swing right, after slowing and looking over your shoulder, pass on the right, simples.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭wheelo01


    I was always taught that when approaching a junction if there are pedestrians already crossing, they have the right of way. (BBut It may have said uncontrolled junction, I just treat all the same)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭wheelo01


    just found it, didn't think I'd find it so quickly

    A driver approaching a road junction shall yield the right of way to another vehicle which has commenced to turn or cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws, and to a pedestrian who has commenced to cross at the junction in accordance with these bye-laws.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294#:~:text=(2)%20A%20driver%20approaching%20a,accordance%20with%20these%20bye%2Dlaws.

    something wrong with this tablet, I couldn't edit my last post.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,545 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Is that saying the driver must act in accordance with the bye laws, or the pedestrians?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Can we not just say that the pedestrians should have been more aware of their surroundings and the cyclist could have done more to avoid a near miss?

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This, it is not a binary choice. The peds took a chance as the traffic was stationary and were well out of the way of the cars before they even started to move (there light went green as they crossed). The cyclist wasn't ging to fast down that hill, I'd often go down it faster but once he could see the pedestrians, he could have slowed and moved out to go around them. Instead he decided to "teach them a lesson" in the same vein as a punishment pass. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong here, they are both wrong, but none of it life changing or actually a concern to anyone. The peds were not hit and the cyclist stopped, it is only wrong because it could have been an incident if the pedestrians were not paying attention or the cyclists brakes failed and the lesson teaching became a lot more severe, both of which are stupid things to take a risk over.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    going around them wouldn't be a great video to watch, cycling right up to them looks way better.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    One that didn't involve me for once. Anyone who knows this stretch knows it's lethal for drivers pulling out across the cycle lane without looking.

    Look for the cyclist coming in the opposite direction (with the flashing light). The Audi pulls straight out across his path and collides with the cyclist. The actual collision looks to be minor - presumably because the cyclist got on his brakes asap.

    I didn't actually realise at the time they the two had collided, I thought she had just cut him off and the two were having words.

    Notice though how the driver gets out and immediately starts berating the cyclist for the collision - eventhough she is very clearly in the wrong. This is the mindset we are up against daily. Could you imagine the same collision but with two cars? The driver who had pulled out on the road wouldn't even dream of blaming traffic already on the road.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭Be right back


    She shouldn't have crossed until the yellow box was clear.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    They really should have a stop sign before the cycle lane, not that excuses her from what she did.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,107 ✭✭✭standardg60


    'what do you mean I came right across the lane?'

    She was completely oblivious to the presence of the bike lanes and the meaning of them, all she saw was the road ahead.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    In fairness, a) he was probably surprised by someone pulling straight out like that… usually you can spot them as they slowly nudge out, and b) given how forcefully she drove straight out into the bike lanes he possible expected that she would continue on and clear the lane in time for him to pass. Split seconds, he may have made the call not to haul on the brakes to accommodate the ignorant cow.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Looks like he had maybe 3 metres, and the fact that he came to nearly a complete stop was actually impressive. You can see his back wheel pop up the tiniest of amounts when he hits the car so he had obviously took a good bit of speed out.

    This was the first time he knew she wasn't stopping,

    image.png

    And this is when he stops, and he was almost stationary at this point:

    image.png

    There is a little over 2 seconds between the two screenshots. I was impressed by the speed of his reaction.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    She didn't slow at all from she entered the shot, so if she looked it made no odds. The white van blocking her exit as well, where was she in a rush too, it hurts my brain to think about. She had just started a hard brake when he hit her but not for him, but for the white van on the road.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Honestly, that's impossible to tell from the camera's vantage. We have no definitive read on how far away he was. However, this goes back to my first point - if these were two cars, the blame would firmly be place on the car that pulled out without looking. Traffic already on the road has right of way. Just because one of those vehicles is a bike, suddenly we're having a discussion about whether the cyclist could have stopped in time.

    I have the original, less compressed version, and while it's still hard to say for sure - it doesn't seem so. It looks like she (the car driver) is only looking right, as that's where the vehicular traffic comes from.

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