Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

I'm sure Hitlers art was lovely

very little reporting of this compared to the other times before the elections. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dublins-tent-city-supporters-of-asylum-seekers-refuse-to-move-as-gardai-dismantle-migrant-camp/a984153401.html

Let them move into their supporters houses off they go

I'm sure there's some posters here that are the "Supporters" referenced in the title

Yes of course, what we need to talk about in this refugee thread is your feeling of being emotionally blackmailed, not the 30,000 people who have died or gone missing trying to cross to Mediterranean to get to the EU in the last decade. A figure which will also include many innocent people, including children, dying horribly and needlessly trying to come to Ireland.

In years to come I think people will look back on those benefiting from these systems in the same way we now do slave traders. These beneficiaries include traffickers, but also the opportunist politicians, and their scapegoat seeking, outrage hungry supporters who demand these measures.

There are plenty of alternatives to the horrible, murderous, deterrent approaches which of course look nothing like 'open borders'. The problem is those alternatives are long term with no immediate political gain, so instead lets pour billions more towards these failed approaches because they provide ready scapegoats, the 'bogus' asylum seekers, to secure cheap votes from the genuine, well meaning, but ill-informed locals concerned about services , and also the hate-filled mobs and their constructed social media realities.

Thankfully all those children arriving into Ireland at the moment and sleeping along the canal are huge. Like fully grown adult male sized.

Do you think children have stopped dying coming to Ireland?

11 are killed every week trying to cross the Med.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/eleven-children-die-every-week-attempting-cross-central-mediterranean-sea-migration

Based last years asylum figures, and Ireland's percentage of EU totals, that would mean 8 children died trying to come here last year and 40 adults.

I see no figures on how many are detained indefinitely, or being tortured by militias in North Africa, or sexually exploited by traffickers etc.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/number-of-asylum-seekers-up-87-in-2024-1743418

Numbers continue to rise

We’ve spent over a billion quid on this mess (excluding the Ukrainians)

Let that sink in. Over a billion of our taxed income spent on making our country a worse place to live.

They won’t spend on vital infrastructure projects like the metro to the airport etc but they’re more than happy to piss away our taxes on a bunch of chancers at the drop of a hat

I don't know what you're trying to get at here.

Do you not know people are crossing the med to come to Ireland?

Or are you trying to say a certain amount of children dying, or being raped, while trying to get here is acceptable, because of riots in Italy?

Maybe it's just good old fashioned whataboutery.

Not to mention the shortage of vital child services and shortage of doctors and nurses etc due to financial restraints.

The photo discussed was a lazy attempt to illustrate a point, the poster presumably thought that no one would bother to check and perhaps they didn't even bother to check themselves when it occurred, nearly a decade ago. In that situation myself, I'd put my hands up and say fair cop.

I & I'm sure others are quite happy to discuss the ins and outs of our current refugee and asylum seeker policies and current events related. Most reasonable people see there are various angles, bad points and some good points. I've never said matters are black & white. However like many fellow citizens, I think we have gone too far in recent times and we need to counter balance this and reduce the inward flow, whilst removing those with no rights to be here. At the same time, we should assist a set annual quota of valid applications and do what is needed in these cases. That approach matches our obligations with our chequebook.

If others want to argue otherwise and that we should squeeze everyone in who wishes to come here, at whatever cost, well offer the arguments and be prepared to defend them.

Firstly we all know that photo and what that tragedy stands for , so thats a cop out .

Secondly I have never ever said "squeeze everyone in" , thats bs , I am very much for more control and have always said that. Some like to call those that disagree " open borders brigade" and " all welcome here crowd" . This is just a way of othering people so you do not have to discuss or take their views seriously . Or trying to dogwhistle others to pile on .

As to reasonable discussion I have tried over and over to counter and discuss, but it is repetition and fruitless because the same rants are appearing every day .

This is you in the above post trying to deflect again from you encouraging extreme viewpoints from others without calling them out , and yet saying you are reasonable and moderate .

If you were, you would be just as vocal against those posts as you are against some of the rest of us here .

The repetition here is particularly grinding .

Continuous posts about tents and adult males and tents and wherever people are moved to isn't right for various reasons , so they should end up back in tents ...or no tents according to some .

Discussion about dilution of culture and theories about plantation are beyond comment at this stage . They are conspiracy theories put forward by far right groups from the KKK to the BNP and if people here want to discuss and support that , it is not what I want to be involved in , thank you .

It is depressing and out of proportion with the current refugee situation .

I suggest that many of us could and would be better employed on another more general thread ...but there would be no cosy echo chamber to rely on .

Would suit me and megaman well , not so sure about you though .

Goodbye and good luck . I suppose spending time posting here on this thread has shown me that although boards is a pretty decent forum generally , even it has its dark areas , ones that are best avoided , for me anyhow .

And it’s Ireland’s border policies to blame for that?

We refuse shockingly few entrants as things stand and send back even fewer

What is your alternative suggestion that would stop the people torturing and raping because of Ireland as you say?

We can work with Europe, from a position within the EU, to help make the passage for asylum seekers safer and more fluid.