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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And maybe if those who espouse your view, weren't so encouraging with the céad míle fáilte, then families with young children like this wouldn't be setting off on hazardous journeys to bypass regular visa controls. Part of the problem creating the pull factor along with those who traffic them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Have you anything to support this claim that people are coming because of 'céad míle fáilte'?

    Here's some further research showing the decision making processes of asylum seekers.

    In this case showing their primary concern is reaching a place of safety, with a destination country chosen on the basis of having family connections, language spoken and that countries democratic stability.

    As to knowledge of 'céad míle fáilte'

    There was very little evidence that the sample respondents had a detailed knowledge of: UKimmigration or asylum procedures; entitlements to benefits in the UK; or the availability ofwork in the UK. There was even less evidence that the respondents had a comparativeknowledge of how these phenomena varied between different European countries. Most ofthe respondents wished to work and support themselves during the determination of theirasylum claim rather than be dependent on the state

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248205716_Understanding_the_Decision-Making_of_Asylum-Seekers

    Furthering false anti-immigration myths isn't going to stop people coming here or dead children washing up on beaches in the Mediterranean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    It's standard leftist tactics. If they don't like the message or have no comeback they try to discredit the person

    Whatever you think about the person he posts things that have happened and receipts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The government seems to be doing everything to dissuade asylum seekers from coming at the moment : increased deportations, people being charged in the courts with arriving without a passport, people being sent back across the border to Northern Ireland, signing up to the EU Migration Pact etc. It could hardly said they are being warm and welcoming during 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    Nobody is denying what the person is but for the love of **** god I am on about the video and the reaction an irish person would get if they done it in a place where those in the video are from originally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not having looked at it because of who put it online I can't answer your question quags .

    It doesn't really deserve to be discussed or taken seriously again because of racist bias .

    I wouldn't be getting too wound up about it either way .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    @Lotus Flower seems your correct in what you said 😁

    For the record goldengirl I aint wound up at all, just because I find an artist annoying doesn't mean I wouldnt enjoy their art



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes and what date is that photo of the dead child from???

    Nine years ago, that's 9 years ago from 2015.. instancing a nine year old image in favour of current policies shows up the céad míle fáilte philosophy for what it is. Deliberately misleading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Go on with you and that ridiculous false equivalence .

    You and Lotus Flower are basically saying that only so called lefties would find a racist objectionable ?

    Good to know the depths some who class themselves as "moderate rights " are prepared to tolerate .

    "because I find an artist annoying doesn't mean I wouldnt enjoy their art"

    .

    the artist was projecting a message of hate and division and then artists do get some licence in how they portray their message .

    This guy ain't no artist



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Children are still washing up dead.

    Circumstances haven't changed. That picture is famous because it captures the absolute horror of what's happening. The horror is ongoing, and the sloganeering and false narratives are only adding to it.

    That child's name was Alan Kurdi. His family were fleeing ISIS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Relevance ?

    Dead child who was travelling by a small boat and drowned . Rather than flying was the point .

    Of course as relevant today as it was then except if you choose to dehumanise and distance yourself from that tragedy .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    I asked for an opinion on a video that was shared, I didnt ask for on the account that posted but so far you have deflected and another poster but its cool, you aint giving an opinion and we shall move on. Its a forum, its not like its real life where that video is actually real ye know!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I would think nothing that guy would be putting online is 'real '.given where his head is at .

    That's my point .

    And if you are not wound up what was the deleted expletive about ?

    "love of **** "

    Sounds a bit angry and wound up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Once again it's not about the person. We are not talking about going for pints with him and being his bestie. What's your opinion on the video he posted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    I am certainly not wound up, this is a forum where you can express opinions on what you personally think. You have said that you dont care for the video as the person who posted it is racist and that's ok, my initial question was what is wrong with the video? Racist poster or not that video is showing what the people who we are saving from warzones think of the country

    This will also be the last time I continue this convo cause we arent getting anywhere 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,815 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Some disgusting use of money.

    Some vicious circle isnt it, we fund the NGO's to give these tents, we fund Waterways Ireland to remove the tents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    For those who like to attack the messenger rather than the message, the video contained what sounded like a bunch of Algerian ne'er do wells (well dressed btw like a 90's Brit pop band) proclaiming **** Irlanda **** Irlanda outside the IPO on Mount Str making gun signs and giving the finger….

    Sure nothing to see here they say, Ireland has it's own scumbags and good for nothing rats what difference adding someone else's to the equation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Let's play a little game. Imagine I'm from Nigeria and I manage to make my way towards a country that has direct flights to Ireland, either using my real passport or a purchased one. The plane lands, I disembark and then destroy my passport. When I get to immigration I claim that I'm whatever is the equivalent name of Jimmy O'Shae in Botswana and I had to leave because I was being religiously persecuted (or whatever.) Where do I get deported to?

    Botswana won't take me, I don't exist there.

    I'm 100% against the fake passport lads rocking up here, but there's no easy fix.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Dentention centres until a time their identities can be verified. It needs to get out to those that choose to come to Europe, that they will not be allowed roam free unhindered. Yes it will cost money, but its the only way to stamp out chancers and scammers taking advantage of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, and that's fine as far as it goes. But my hypothetical scenario can't be verified. They'll probably just sit in a detention centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    And thats the message that needs to be sent out, you arrive here without the proper paperwork or valid reason, you'll be locked up.



  • Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, we really do need less people breaking immigration law and remaining in the country illegally. Much, much less. We should aim to completely eliminate it in fact, not encourage it.

    What you are implying is that we should eliminate all border controls so as many people as possible can "safely" get here. It's hard to believe someone would seriously suggest this. The picture is nothing but a pathetic attempt to emotionally manipulate people into agreeing with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough .

    My last comment on this ...if this person is so racially biased person how can you trust anything they post ?

    It's not unusual for these videos to be reconstructed or fake .

    I wouldn't believe it on any media without verification .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 boredyooser


    Hi Nachouser,

    I invite you to print off your post, frame it, put it up on your wall and look at it and think about it on every 10 Year anniversary. whilst googling the demographic statistics of the Republic of Ireland on that particular day.

    These are the current statistics from England.

    The Indigenous White British people now comprise under 75 % of the population of England.

    The Indigenous White British people now comprise about around 36% of the population of their capital city of London.

    London is comprised of 32 Boroughs, in some boroughs, the Indigenous White British people comprise less than 20% of the population of the borough, for example Newham, where they make up less than 17% of the population.

    Boroughs are comprised of Wards, where local councillors are voted for. in some wards the Indigenous White British People now comprise less than 5% of the population.

    Britain, currently has the highest number of 4 or more children families since the early 1970s. However, this is not spread evenly through Ethnic Groups. The majority of 4 children families are being born to mothers from Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and other countries. The average White British women is bottom of the list in fertility statistics.

    Additionally, while Indigenous White British Women will have their perhaps 1 or maybe 2 children at a far later age, if they ever have them at all, women from such ethnic groups will have their children at a much younger age, which means that in generational terms, 3 generations of certain ethnic groups will be born in the same time as 2 generations of Indigenous White British. It's also to note that the 2nd and 3rd Generations of these ethnic groups who will be considered " British " in future statistics by virtue of acquisition of British passports for convenience and enrichment, whilst they themselves identify as their ethnic group, which will skew future demographic statistics, ( much as the RTE report that " A ( never identified ) Man From Tallaght " has been arrested )

    For some time, estimates on when the Indigenous Whte British people will become a minority in Britain ( not England ) all agree that this inevitable within this century. Some estimates give the mid to late 2050s , others the early 2070s. But it is agreed that by the time the century is out, the Indigenous White British people will become an ethnic minority in Britain when measured against " non White British ".

    These estimates are based on " current trends ". but given local councils prioritise social housing on " single mothers " with " large families ", and the new Labour government will re-instate child benefit for all children, the rewards of having large families and putting a hand out to the state will surely increase. It;s almost like adding steriods to the equation.

    So yes, the Indigiinous White British people are indeed being " outbred ".

    As as for colonisations, I could educate you on that too.

    But there is a certain contingent who will claim that " Ireland will be different ", because we are nicer, and they will respect that, and become more Irish than the Irish,.

    You will live to take down the picture frame and eat your words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, I stand by my comment about nasty stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 boredyooser


    Discussion of the dilution of culture, being outbred, and colonised is " nasty stuff " ?

    I believe those on the left are in agreement that the actions of European immigrants and colonisers as it affected the Indigenous North American people, the Canadaiand First Nation people, the Indigenous South American people, the Indigenous Australian people, the Indigenous New Zealand people, the Indigenous people of the African continent and the Indigenous people of the South Asian sub continent is to be considered genocide and crimes against humanity.

    Yet discussion of similar demographic changes relating to the Indigenous people of the island of Ireland is " nasty stuff ".

    Double standards there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Nope, I'm just referring to people banging on about Ireland being diluted by immigration. And I consider that to be nasty. You seem to be referring to something else entirely. Good luck with that.



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