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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Disco24


    I think it will be a victim of its own success and they'll have to. Lot of pinch points on the road unless you divert cars through ballybough and take road space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Good luck in finding the space to maintain footpath width, some parking at locations, a bus lane and a traffic lane in either direction and a wider cycle lane on top of that!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Well if they had built it as a two way cycle path in the first place, this would have been less of a problem!

    2 x 2m lanes versus a single 4 meter wide two way lane, both take up the same road space (actually slightly less for the two way lane as only one buffer). The extra space of a two way lane makes overtaking easier and is particularly useful in a cycle lane that sees different cycling flow direction in morning versus evening like this one definitely does.

    But yes, in time car parking will continue to be removed and cars redirected, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Like Ireland's attempts at decent public transport infrastructure, completely swamped from day 1.

    It was clear the design lacked ambition but it was a good proposal for it's day, it's just that this was proposed about 10 years ago and times have moved on. It just takes so long to get things done in Ireland. I expect the bus connects corridors will also be over subscribed from day 1 when they are eventually complete.

    The clontarf scheme was clearly set up to maximise road space for cars. We still have 6 lanes of traffic in Fairview ffs. I could see a supplementary scheme to reduce the traffic lanes and provide some wider footpaths and bike lanes for some sections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,451 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't think space will be an issue on these lanes, they're wide enough in most parts. The fact this scheme actually went ahead was unbelievable to me, I never thought they'd have the balls to do it, yet here we are.

    It actually looks like there's not that much left to do now, finally, large parts of the outbound are pretty much done, so we may have it up and running completely in the next few months. I'm just worried there'll be constant digging afterwards to do things they missed, tarmac put down and never replaced with paving etc., in true DCC style.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The public realm in fairview is still crap, that's my main issue. The building side is very isolated from the park side. You have to use a motorway style ped over bridge to get across. There needs to be a lot more ambition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    Drove through Fairview during rush hour for the first time this morning (had to drop my car to Annesley Place) and the amount of cars/vans that just sailed up the bus lane must've been close to double the number of busses & taxis. Having kept somewhat up to date on this thread (and living on a one way street and seeing countless cars just fly up the wrong way) I'm not surprised it's happening and there's feck all enforcement, but just surprised at the sheer numbers of people doing it, but again, without enforcement, it'll keep increasing.

    I assume the road surface itself isn't close to being finished? Some of the shores must be a good 4-5 inches above the surface



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,451 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    really it should have a pedestrian crossing or two instead of the footbridge, I don't think it would even slow traffic down that much in the grand scheme of things.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    While it is wider then the rubbish new cycle lane on Griffith Avenue, it still goes down to as little as 1.75m wide, which is well below the 2.5m ideal, 2m minimum laid out by the National Cycle Infrastructure document.

    1.75m makes it quiet difficult to overtake cargo bikes.

    Also many cyclists are cycling the wrong way on it every day, basically using it as a two way cycle lane!! Hopefully this will be reduced once the outbound section opens, but that remains to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I wouldn't be happy trying to cross that road on a pedestrian crossing. To many people happy to break lights, drive up buslanes and park wherever they like. Wouldn't be safe imo



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    There are multiple at grade crossings on this road, in addition to the bridge. I cross at Malahide Road or by Westwood and down by Fairview strand every other day and it is fine.

    Of course there should be red light cameras and other traffic calming steps to make it even safer to cross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Well that's exactly what is in the plan from my reading of the documents. The junction at Edge's corner when finished will be completely different. It will a single straight across pedestrian crossing. This compared to the horrible go halfway across and be stuck in a metal cage with 5 lanes of traffic around you before crossing all the way.

    In addition to the footbridge, which is useful for many (obviously not wheelchairs or less mobile), there is a new level ped crossing going in at Marino Mart beside the Greenland coffee shop per the plans.

    DCC also need to add Fairview to their pressure washing programme. The new paving needs regular washing to look good. At the moment around there it looks like a dump with litter and filthy paving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Many drivers seem to respect red lights (bar the obligatory first 5 seconds still count as amber, naturally) if there are conflicting car movements, i.e. there is a reasonable chance damage could come to their car. If it is just a pedestrian crossing, the lights don't count at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I wouldn't agree. Motorists break the lights regularly here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    If seen many a car plough through reds while texting not even close to Orange



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Is this for final road surfacing works or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Wouldn't agree with what, that many drivers treat the first 5 seconds of a red light as amber?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    Funny thing about cycling lanes, and I see it often, is that one cyclist doesn't like the speed others are going at or it just gets too full for their liking and they go into the bus lane or regular car lanes. And hundreds of commuters can follow their ass for the next 20 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Probably more like 2 minutes, until the next traffic light, and the car gets held up there anyway, while the cyclist just carries on with their journey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,451 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    This scenario doesn't ever happen in Dublin never mind on the route this thread is discussing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    You just accepted that cyclists don't follow lights, they'll just ram through a red like it's nobodys business and every road user and pedestrian has to dodge them for dear life.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    I agree it's nothing like what it could have been… But there are extra crossings to be put in place. You can see the locations from the park side, but they are closed off until the building side is ready.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Do not post off-topic again and read the Commuting and Transport charter before posting again.

    — moderator



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I past yesterday evening, loads of work and staff working around this junction. They were hoisting big traffic light poles that took up two lanes of traffic into place. It looks like they are finishing off this junction and getting ready to open it. Keep in mind the pedestrian crossings, etc. are to change from what has previously been there.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I only got a quick look at this area this morning, but I'm going to say no. However, it could be the "penultimate" surfacing work, which you can see in many other areas along the route. Take a look at some of the parking bays, manhole covers, drains, or junctions, where you'll see a very good looking road surface, but it's about an inch or two lower than where it needs to be.

    The drains are probably the best example of this, are you can see that they have protectors hanging from the top to stop large debris from entering the drain, but they're completely useless at the moment due to the fact that the final layer has not yet been applied, meaning that there's a huge gap right under the protectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,451 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


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    My reward for taking the bike to town in this weather, there were 2 more after this inside the old wall too ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Unbelievable, well actually it is believable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,451 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They could easily have pulled into the street beside cusacks too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭markpb


    A single bollard at the start of the old wall would put a stop to that. I'm surprised it wasn't done as part of this project.

    Not that it would matter, they'd just park on the cycle lane before the bollard anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Is it time to start sending any of these photos to some person or department in DCC (preferably with the licence plate) for action? I know they'll probably just ignore them but if they were getting them all the time at least it would make a point.

    Streets look a lot nicer if there aren't endless rows of bollards on them but if the result of that is that cycle lanes are rendered unusable because of idiots like this then the whole purpose of segregration becomes pointless. There's been a lot of money and time spent on this link (irrespective of people's feelings about it) and it's wasted if there isn't a change in attitudes.

    I say this as a complete non-cyclist so no agenda here.



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