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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Lots and lots of Americans vote on the basis of a single issue be it abortion, gun control, borders, law and order whatever.

    The person being voted on matters less than the key issues as they see them.

    "The rest is politics" podcast were pushing the line that donor money is leaving Biden and flowing to Senate/house candidates in order to shore up the houses in the event of trump winning.

    They were divided in whether Harris would be the presidential candidate or whether there would be a competition.

    Interesting times ahead.

    You'd have to wonder how much control Biden actually has at this stage, put in this way would you bet your pension on a company like Amazon/Apple if they had a CEO 81 years old asking to be left in charge until he is 86 🫤



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    works just fine for Warren Buffet, age 87, and one of the wealthiest human beings, and CEOs, on the planet (the 10th richest to be precise). And Berkshire Hathaway is the 5th most valuable company in the world. That might dampen the point you were trying to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    People denying Bidens clear decline and senility are as bad as the people denying the reality of Trump. So unhinged they refuse to see what's so obviously in front of their eyes. It's honestly very embarrassing. Saw someone on this thread actually argue it's perfectly fine for Biden to not work past 8pm because they don't do it. Well ye but you aren't the president of a country. If the man can't be able to function at any hour day or night he's not able to do the job of US president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,641 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Theres a clip of Joe Scarbough talking about "how this is the best version of Joe Biden" after the debate. That's an incredible level of delusion, I'm sure if he's changed his tune since then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,636 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    So what. Yes there are true blue believers but to win the Presidency you need to convince enough swing voters in key states to win.

    The ‘Biden is good, Biden is great, we surrender our will as of this date’ stuff is irrelevant. Yes, he is your God King. But he’s also an 82 year old man too infirm to be elected for another four years.

    Let’s put someone competent in and win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ignoring your bs about ‘incompetent god king Biden’ (thank SCOTUS): someone like who?

    Who is going to parachute in? People need to put a name to this “someone” they expect to run instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    We've had 8 years and many many examples of trump's decline, with clear and obvious moments where one could mount a 25th amendment (when in power) or a request to step aside, yet Biden has one bad debate,and suddenly it's Joe that has to step aside. Go out and touch some grass ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    At present there is a simple choice to be made. Its Biden or Trump.

    Who do you choose?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭eire4


    Even with a good candidate it would be unlikely the Democrats don't lose the Seante this November given they have to defend by a significant margin most of the 34 seats that are up. With Biden forget it there is almost no chance. The situation in the house is not quite as grim but still it would be a significant upset if Biden is the candidate for the Democrats to win. At this point actually the only overall race that looks close is the presidency. If the Democrats lose the presidency its extremely likely the authoritarian Republicans will be in total control across all 3 houses never mind having their own poodles running the highest court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Firstly it's been a lot more than one debate, people have raised concerns about Bidens physical and mental capacity for a long time now. Even polls among Democrats show this, Secondly nobody with any objectivity would seriously argue Biden sounds or looks more cognitive than Trump. Trump may say a lot of nonsense but he doesn't sound like he's about to keel over when he speaks.

    You can keep burying your head in the sand or you can face reality that voters are saying they will not vote for a man with Bidens obviously frailties. You can think they are wrong, believe Trump is still much worse but a lot of American's seem to disagree with you. I'll say again the best thing that can happen for Trump is Biden staying put.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭hometruths


    The risk with Biden is the double haters in swing states choose neither and stay at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭eire4


    I think there is a good chance you will see a fair bit of among of that on both sides. Turnout in the US is usually embarrassing for a country which arrogantly sees itself as a "beacon" of democracy. 2020 while still low by comparison to most other democracies, voter turnout was at 66% the highest in a presidential election since 1900. It will be interesting to see what turnout is like but probably IMHO it will be down on the last presidential election given there are strong reasons for voters on both sides to not show up.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Sure, I just suspect the lower the turnout the more it favours Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭eire4


    Typically it does favour Republicans which is probably why they enjoy engaging in so much voter suppression and making it as hard to vote as possible in general in so many states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Whatever.

    The choice is still the same.

    Do you vote for the tired old man who had a bad day on a national debate show.

    Or do you vote in the absolute cunt who's a real danger to the entire country, and subsequently the rest of the world?

    Because, currently, as things stand that's what's on the table and everything else is just navel gazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,636 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Well, like it or lump it, we have a weight of polling data that says Americans will choose the latter…



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I've absolutely no doubt there is a ton of people who agree with you but they're already in Biden's column, enthusiastically or otherwise.

    But the polls said pre debate there were still a lot of undecideds, and it is those that will decide the election.

    If they hadn't already decided to vote for Biden just because he's not Trump pre debate, they are now a lot less likely to swing that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ”Dewey defeats Truman”

    “Red Wave November”

    We’ve seen this before.

    No name for an alternative eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,458 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    This being an Irish forum, it matters jot.

    What matters is what middle America thinks and how the swing states are going to vote. And according to the polls, they all favour Trump over Biden.

    Bidens lack vigour and mental capacity has killed him in this election. There is no going back imo.

    The only real hope is for the Dems to replace Biden with someone who doesn't look like they belong in a home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,254 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Your point is that the polls can be wrong. This is true,but do not make the mistake of leaping to the polls always being wrong. Worth remembering that in 2020, Biden was forecast by the polls to win and he did win.

    At most, we can say that polls do not indicate certainty, but they're still the best empirical way of gauging voting intention that we have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭LetticebCivil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Democrats coming out saying he’s not fit for 4 more years and another candidate should be put forward . I can’t see him winning the election unless like the previous one it’s an anti Trump vote not a pro Biden one .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Until the Dems replace Biden the choice is clear. Letting Trump back in would be a disaster.

    Do you vote for the old guy who's gaffe prone, loses his train of thought and had a bad debate?

    Or the other old guy who's a rapist fraud that continually spouts bullshit and lies every time he opens his fat gob?

    Because that is the choice that's facing Americans currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,766 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You keep going on about the name of an alternative.

    Pick anyone. It doesn't matter who. Give them 4 months of constant campaigning, being youthful, being energetic. We'll know them well by the end.

    Campaigns don't need to run for years. I saw somebody on twitter point out that in France they had a snap election, a coalition of the left was formed, agreements were made on tactical voting to keep Le Pen's party out in the 2nd round and that was all done in 4ish weeks.

    If the Democrats replace Biden they have 4 months (slightly less now). That's is oceans of time to get the face out there and get the message out there. Someone like Harris would have the benefit of the office of VPOTUS and access to the Biden campaign money. Pick her. Her polling is lower than Biden now, but that's on a theoretical run, and should go up when she's out there running. Biden is a known entity and is (currently) running, and his numbers aren't shifting up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,245 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Absolutely.

    And when it's broken down to that unavoidable choice, MAGA twist and turn and try and make it about something else.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Stephen Colbert is ripping Biden in his opening monologue right now and ended with calling for him to stand down. Never thought I'd see the day. It's over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,389 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Jon Stewart just did the same thing

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Harris' polling is not based on a purely theoretical run I reckon.

    Nobody thinks it's a given Biden can last the term, so right now if you are voting Biden, you've at the very least considered the possibility of Harris having to step up to Presidency at some stage in the next four years, and you're comfortable with that idea.



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