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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭mun1


    €29,400 inc delivery . Comfort version.
    Leaf was a bit odd alright .

    If it was my choice I would have picked the MG4 exclusive trim , lovely car and great to drive , and only slightly higher CoC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I can imagine a ULEZ type zone in cities in Ireland will encourage change to EVs in urban areas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    If she rarely leaves the County that makes no sense at all. Even if you lived in a huge County like Cork, it wouldn’t add up. Even if she was over anxious about range, surely the likes of a new LR Tesla or a used EQE would quell any fear. You should challenge her decision further before you both end up with mistake on 4 wheels sitting on your driveway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,020 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I am sorry but that makes no sense whats ever.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The fact that FUD has altered a buying decision, makes no sense at all?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    people don't realise how much FUD is impacting evs, it's everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,770 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Yeah trying to get the last few company cars over to EV in work is proving difficult, despite having telematics on their vehicles and showing one guy that he exceeded 300kms in a day only 6 times last year he still thinks an EV won't suit him because of what he's reading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Picked up my id4 pro plus yesterday. Traded in a id4 gtx 222, I dealt back in April. 500 euro in and Pcp staying more or less the same. The pro plus is a 49k car minus 3k grant, the gtx in August 22 was a 68k car. When I bought was 58 minus 5k grant.The new id4 has much better software and 286 bhp on tap versus 199 in the gtx which had 299 under certain battery conditions>80% certain temps etc. the software and infotainment is much improved in the 2024 model. I did phone a few other garages at the time and they wouldn't take my car in trade in. Wasn't panicking as still had another year on Pcp. Feel like if I'm changing in 2 or 3 years again dust will have settled on the market. Some dodgy man maths with nighttime charging at home reckon 46k km cost us approx 800 euro versus what say an equivalent petrol or diesel would have cost about 4500 in fuel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    There are several reasons for her current situation. She’s contemplating longer commutes for work, which often require access to public charging stations. Typically, these journeys only necessitate a 15-minute charge, but due to range anxiety, she tends to charge for much longer. She suspects her battery is degrading, possibly influenced by advice from others. Interestingly, all her friends and family drive traditional petrol-powered cars. Unfortunately, the timed charging feature on her eV has never functioned properly, and our home charger has no a timer.

    While I recognise the flaws in this situation, I was actively involved in the decision to purchase her EV. It was probably too early for her and we should have waited until some of her family and peers owned one. I’m aware that several family and peers believe we made an incorrect choice. They're conservative and probably won't own an EV for another 5-8 years. As an observer, I’m sitting back with a metaphorical bag of popcorn, eager to see how this unfolds—it’s shaping up to be an intriguing case study.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,770 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'd have described it as an expensive case study more than intriguing! What car is she currently running? The difficulty and expense of getting rid of an EV at the moment might hopefully put an end to it though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Swapping out your home charger for one with the ability to charge when required would be my first step here. It’ll be a lot cheaper than getting hammered on trading in her EV at the moment for a petrol hybrid. If the battery has actually degraded, surely it’s under warranty and needs to be repaired.



  • Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭ Romina Fluffy Thimble


    You shouldn't be an observer, you are her husband and your opinion should be worth more than that of her family and friends, especially considering you are an enthusiast posting on forums about ev you clearly know more than they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Similar situation in our house, changed wifes car recently and she stuck with petrol.. people make up their own minds whether someone else thinks they are right or wrong.. and that's the way it should be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Sounds like a good deal considering all that’s happening in the market. What was the estimated value of the GTX when you did your deal ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    as long as the decision is made with sound rationale and not based on misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    That’s a slightly Andrew Tateish viewpoint (as are done of the comments above by others). Buying a car is an utterly subjective and personal choice, whether it is the colour, interior or powertrain.

    I suggested to my wife we could get an ev in the past as her driving would accommodate it. She said no, she didn’t want to know about one, she liked the comfort of knowing she could easily refuel without faffing about with public chargers, even if it was only once a year. She also said she didn’t want a white car, wanted awd, and something that could move at a reasonable pace and had leather… all reasonable requests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I realised in London a lot of people in the ULEZ don't have home charging. A lot of modern ICE are allowed in the ULEZ. Its noticeable how many very expensive EVs are in the ULEZ but far fewer cheaper EVs. Smaller ICE cars are very common, easier to park etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think sales of EV will stay slow until the current price war stabilises. It has demolished consumer confidence and media have milked it for click bait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭micks_address




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭micks_address


    It's interesting people are very curious about my changing...they were like how much did you lose, did they refuse to take the car back, how bad was the battery etc.. I was like I don't really care.. changing has cost me next to nothing.. I suppose if you are on Pcp I just look at the monthly payment and as long as that's the same or close enough and I haven't to put in additional money prices don't really matter. Everything is totally negative around EVs at the moment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Andrew tatish, get a grip of yourself. If someone is making a financial decision with family finances and it's based on misinformation and fud it's pretty reasonable to talk it out and make sure everyone has the facts not a head filled with garbage.

    And if your wife doesn't need to publicly charge then not getting an ev and buying a hybrid instead is a bit mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    the hybrid/phev was also the more sound financial decision…. There was actually no basis on which the ev made sense except in an evangelical one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,770 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    For some it will.

    Many are waiting for the market to settle, nobody wants to buy a car when it might have it's price slashed the next month.

    Tesla owners and id4 owners were hit badly by this, my own cupra born is now about 6k less than when I bought it.

    Those that have not dropped yet there's a sense it's only a matter of time if they want to shift them in numbers.

    So it's a stand off for many. Can't blame them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Must be a good time to buy secondhand. Neighbour just arrived with a ioniq 5 231 said he was delighted with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    In the past, I’ve made car-buying decisions for my wife, and it’s rarely a smooth process. While I personally believe she’s making a questionable move by switching from an EV to a hybrid, I’ve learned to choose my battles. Her consideration of other people’s opinions also plays a significant role, and I’ve come to accept that. After all, it’s her money, and if she wants to pay for petrol while I continue enjoying my EV, that’s her prerogative.

    Within her social circle, there’s an added layer of complexity. Observing how she adapts to driving an internal combustion engine car again might be enlightening for her friends and family. Families can be surprisingly competitive and complex, and while I don’t intend to gloat or prove a point to my wife, sometimes it’s best to let these dynamics unfold naturally. Perhaps when one of her families hierarchy eventually decides to invest in an EV, opinions will shift, and people will start making independent car-buying choices.

    Until then I'll just bite my tongue the next time her uncle or step brother starts talking about EV fires at the dinner table. A lot of people are just really really stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Many EV owners are likely on a Personal Contract Plan so the Guaranteed Future Value could provide some protection when transitioning from an ID4 or EV6 to another EV. If not, refinancing and holding onto the current vehicle for an additional two years might be the best approach.


    However, I believe that those who outright own their cars are currently facing challenges at the moment, as trade-in offers are now disappointingly low. This trend is likely to persist. Perhaps it’s time for people to reconsider treating cars purely as assets, opting for 0-3% lease deals and then quickly moving on to another car after a few years. Of course, there will always be individuals who secure credit union loans at 12% interest, aiming to own the car outright, only to restart the cycle once the loan is paid off.


    I'll be going in maybe next month to trade in our EV. It's on a PCP so it will be interesting to see where things are at with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    There can’t surely be a cheaper way of owning a car than buying it outright? I accept the pcp has really helped people where some of the deprecation seems to have been soaked up by the pcp contract, but that must be a mistake that won’t be repeated.

    By my reckoning an “average” 50k car costs about 7k per annum in depreciation… most pcps at this level will be far more without some deposit trickery. The cost of credit for example on a Tiguan (a 50k car)is almost 7k alone for a 36mth pcp with zero deposit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭fits


    My ID.3 cost 6000 per year in depreciation. It wasn’t what I had hoped for but with 84,000 km on it it saved at least 6000 in fuel and probably more.

    So the annual cost of ownership wasn’t too bad compared with the old merc that preceded it which cost us 950 in tax, and probably 3000 a year in fuel. And then servicing and bringing to the NCT.

    Running a new car is expensive no question but it is very nice to have a car that’s safe and up to date and doesn’t need servicing or NCT or trips to petrol stations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    find someone doing 0 percent interest to shift their cars, aren't vw doing it on some evs?

    Also you are looking at pcp repayments too simplistically just comparing the annual cost to annual depreciation you'd expect.



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