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Emmanuel Macron dissolves French parliament and calls snap elections

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Rash?

    What would have happened had he not grasped the nettle?

    I really don't know the answer to that.

    What ,I wonder led him to call the snap election?

    The fear that things were going to get worse and that this was the least worst time?

    Or was he more aggressive in his thinking and did he count on the country to not allow FN to take power in the same way that it prevented it last time?

    Was it desperation or an astute play?

    Did he get lucky or did he get what he played for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    TLDR, MAGA au français lost and some people here are upset about it.

    The center joined with the left to shut them out too, contrary to your take.

    Proven right. Not "rash" at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If they make any progress, they could make serious inroads on tackling white nationalism in France.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,110 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    It was rash, and could have backfired for him spectacularly if pacts weren't made between parties, or were broken.

    Le Pen's party had the highest percentage of votes by far, so will still be a very strong opposition, and because of no outright majority, there's now a hung parliament.

    When a government is selected, they'll need to have a very strong showing, as the NR are going nowhere in France.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Lowering the retirement age after the massive fights it took to get it raised is a disaster though. And price controls simply don't work.

    The sop at the end to paying for it by "taxing the rich" is also school level nonsenes.

    I'm glad LePen lost, but the left coalition proposal is a basketcase (mostly because it is a pretty broad coalition in the first place).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,743 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It seemed like a rash call from Marcon, but perhaps he could see which way the wind was blowing for next elections, and this is a way to mire the left and right in a mess and make it look like Macron's Centrists are the only ones who can actually govern.

    But maybe that's trying to be too clever by half and it could still backfire.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Macron may (or may not - that remains to be seen) have prevented the RN from winning the three years' time (a calculation that is so long term in a domain where a week has frequently been described as "a long time") but he has certainly strengthened them immeasurably in their preparatives for whenever the next election does take place.

    Such an early election (THREE years before it was required, or expected) he basically, and for no pressing reason, handed them so many seats in parliament for the first time ever that they now have access to all sorts of taxpayer-funded finances including paid parliamentary assistants that they would not otherwise have had. That will set them up wonderfully for the next elections.

    So no, I think the only sensible conclusion is that Macron has promoted the interests of the far right. I don't suppose it was deliberate, but it was certainly reckless and has not paid off - if the far right is the group he was trying to damage.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    As I've just said above, he has recklessly and enirely unnecessarily opened the taps of taxpayer funding for Le Pen's group. That's new, and will make them a formidable force in the NEXT election.

    How anyone can think that was a clever trick (other than Le Pen's supporters that is), is beyond me.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Great news for the EU and also Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Yes - the real worry would be a far right Eurosceptic and Putinophile French government in the event of a Trump victory in November. The one good thing about Macron's reckless decision to throw the cards up in the air like that is that at least the next election has, theoretically at least, been pushed back by two years.

    Of course that will only be the case if a sufficiently stable government can be established to run the country until then, which is not at all certain. A new election in a year or two could be far worse again. Good job, Emmanuel. 🙄

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭brickster69


    So now we have an alliance who agreed on one thing. A mixture of anti capitalists, communists, far left and greens. The plan is raise wages, taxes on business, lower pension age, anti Israel, pro immigration. All to be carried out without a plan on how to pay for it all.

    Macron with a party which he threw half of them on the dole.

    The right who got the most votes, largest party, growing from 10 seats to 150 in 8 years with loads of second places @ 47%+. i would imagine she will be quite chuffed as she can now sit on the sidelines and watch as it unfolds, without getting the blame for anything. If she does all she has to say is " you got what you voted for…. see you in a couple of years. "

    Quite funny in a way with immigration being the biggest concern by far and 7 parties getting together to prevent the only one who pledged to do something about it.

    I don't think Macron's plan quite came off in that he never expected the left to fully unite so quickly.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure, but at least they want to help instead of the RN whitewashing agenda.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Macron refuses to accept PM Attal's resignation saying " he needs stability in government "

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,305 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The right who got the most votes, largest party … 7 parties getting together …

    You really love this idea of "the biggest party" and absolute rule, don't you. Very trumpian althogether. Never mind that the majority did indeed get together to tell the Far Right to feck off, and will - as always - find a way of working together to deliver some kind of governance. That's what we do in Europe. If you don't like it, I've heard Putin is fast-tracking applications for Russian citizenship these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It's a bit of a bizarre result, if you look at the details for round 2 only.

    NR got approx 37% of the vote in round 2, but only got 104 seats.

    Macrons' ensemble got 24% of the vote and got 157 seats.

    New Populist Front got 26% of the vote and got 148 seats.

    It seems the goal of everyone was to keep the NR out.

    How long is that sustainable though, and as the dust settles who is going to govern from now on in?

    Many in the NPF are quite extreme in their outlook and would be an economic disaster for France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Proven right. Not "rash" at all.

    Who?

    Macron?

    Most people concluded it was a mistake to call the election, even now.

    He has opened the door to complete instability and a hung parliament when there was no need to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    100 % - i do not get the people saying Macron played a blinder?

    Sure, LePen did not win the election, but he has opened the door for them now at the cost of a very very fragile government or none at all.

    Le Pen is seen as major issue but members of NPF as just as bad if not worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,743 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    As I said earlier, I'm not sure if he was right to call it, but maybe he was thinking the alternative is he is a lame duck and trying to forestall a virtual wipeout for the Centrists next time round.

    The question is who will the French public blame for the instability, Macron for calling the election, or the popular front who as largest party have to try to manage it in parliament. The stresses of the instability and hung parliament may break apart the popular front.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think it was an attempt to either lance the boil or get the RN in while they're still growing and supervise them as president. It's not that important given that his gambit failed and failed utterly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    If they got 37% of the vote but 60% of the seats you'd be licking their boots praising them for a decisive victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Perhaps I’m missing something but as I understand it, the losses at the European elections, while damaging to Macron’s reputation, could not have made much practical difference to the work of the French parliament, where all that really matters is the size of his majority at the last legislative election. The EU results don’t change that at all.

    So I don’t see any “lame duck” thing coming about as a result of the Euro elections. He has definitely inflicted lame duck status on himself now though.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I think the question is why he ever thought it could work: there were basically four possible outcomes* of which only one was a good one from his PoV. Perhaps he’s just an inveterate gambler.

    Either that or he is so detached from the rest of the country that he took his desires for reality. King Canute (though I think that story has been misread and that Canute was in fact trying to show his courtiers that he was not all powerful!)

    I’m amazed that so many posters and commentators are presenting this as a clever tactical move by Macron.

    * the four options being: any one of the three main blocs to have a majority, but only one of which would be his, or else for there to be a hung parliament, opening the way to chaos.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wait till the Melanchon mob understand they will be going under the bus next Donny.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,743 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I meant lame duck in a reputational sense. As your note, he would still have the seats in Parliament - but maybe felt like he'd lost mandate for change.

    I'm just trying to think through what his rationale was for the gamble.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Macron's father in an interview with the press said that the decision to dissolve parliament was made prior to the EU elections so had no bearing at all. He is very cunning

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    That’s because NF ran in every constituency. The other two did not. Almost 2/3rds voted against Le Pen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They might have stopped the far right from getting in, but instead they have opened the door to the far left.

    This is not a victory for Macron or centrism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I know, I stated that everyone else ran against them. It will work for a time, but its not sustainable.



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