https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/09/eu-europe-elections-2024-results-news-updates-live-latest
I'm absolutely shocked
as @odyssey06 explains above. I thought it was is so f 'ing obvious I wonder why anyone would even ask.( and they did not receive the most seats ,unless you mean in the European election)
So who is the most unpopular party?
Stalemate.
So who is the most popular party ?
You realise it is possible for a party to be popular and unpopular at the same time?
What matters wrt National Rally is their unpopularity with the majority of the electorate is outrunning their popularity with a portion of it.
In Irish terms they are transfer toxic.
Because they are so unpopular with the majority of the country... as reflected in voting pact to keep them out. Thats a serious level of unpopularity.
How can the party that received the most seats and votes be the most unpopular ?
NF will always exist. Of course concerns can be real and have to be addressed but the French are well within their rights to lock them out of complete power if they judge it right.
I didn't follow the arguments in this campaign as to why they were not considered safe with the keys of power but I can think of one good reason and it concerns Ukraine and Russia.
Reason enough for me.
"Now they are the most popular party in France (by vote numbers)."
Also the most unpopular
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Because eventually, something will give.
They are better off focusing on the reasons why people are going to these parties rather than trying to block them.
The NF were nowhere 15 years ago. Now they are the most popular party in France (by vote numbers).
Melanchon is not popular even with many who have stayed in his party, others have left. Yes, they're will be a lot of posturing and negotiation. Attal, has been asked to stay on, for now, (the last bit conveniently omitted by one poster).
France had 12 years of stability with Chirac as president.
Then after Sarkozy took office and we had the 2008 crash, things got interesting.
The UMP were the Tories of France, the big centre-right coalition, but they got turfed out in 2012 in favour of the Centre-Left under Holandes Socialist Party. He only lasted 1 term as well and was deeply unpopular. He was so unpopular he didn't even try to win re-election and the Socialist Party finished 5th on 6%. Le Pen finished 2nd in the first round.
Arise Macron as the winner, a technocrat who forms a centrist coalition of sorts, who promises to reform and changed France.
Again, it was Macron and Le Pen in the next presidential election, and while she narrowed the gap substantially and while Macron was not all that popular, the people of France stuck with him out of fear.
Now we see a further fracturing of the centre.
The old Centre left and Centre right is nowhere to be seen, it seems that France has 3 blocks.
A centrist technocratic block, a Popular left/far-left block comprising of Greens, Socialists, Communists and Social Democrats and a far-right block of Le Pen and Front Nationale.
What we have now is that the centrist and Populist left block are cooperating in this election to keep out Le Pen, but that is the easy bit. Now they have to govern.
Can you imagine old-school Marxists negotiating the ex-Corporate Banker Macron?
This is not going to be good in the long run
Why not?Is FN's continuous rise written in stone?
It has lasted a very long time.Maybe FN is a known quantity in France.(deplorables)
If the opposing parties desisted mutually in important seats then mathematicaly there "normal" representation as a percentage of the votes is underestimated and FN's correspondingly elevated.
A good point.
They were so focused on Le Pen, they forgot how bad communism and the rest of the far left spectrum is. The next 2 years will (more than likely) be chaos and all Le Pen has to do is sit there and watch.
I would?
Talking shite you are.
I don't get these type of posts, these were so 2016.
It reminds me of..
I know, I stated that everyone else ran against them. It will work for a time, but its not sustainable.
They might have stopped the far right from getting in, but instead they have opened the door to the far left.
This is not a victory for Macron or centrism.
That’s because NF ran in every constituency. The other two did not. Almost 2/3rds voted against Le Pen.
side by side election reactions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/BzP7fV2bzT
Macron's father in an interview with the press said that the decision to dissolve parliament was made prior to the EU elections so had no bearing at all. He is very cunning
I meant lame duck in a reputational sense. As your note, he would still have the seats in Parliament - but maybe felt like he'd lost mandate for change.
I'm just trying to think through what his rationale was for the gamble.
Wait till the Melanchon mob understand they will be going under the bus next Donny.
I think the question is why he ever thought it could work: there were basically four possible outcomes* of which only one was a good one from his PoV. Perhaps he’s just an inveterate gambler.
Either that or he is so detached from the rest of the country that he took his desires for reality. King Canute (though I think that story has been misread and that Canute was in fact trying to show his courtiers that he was not all powerful!) I’m amazed that so many posters and commentators are presenting this as a clever tactical move by Macron.
* the four options being: any one of the three main blocs to have a majority, but only one of which would be his, or else for there to be a hung parliament, opening the way to chaos.
Perhaps I’m missing something but as I understand it, the losses at the European elections, while damaging to Macron’s reputation, could not have made much practical difference to the work of the French parliament, where all that really matters is the size of his majority at the last legislative election. The EU results don’t change that at all.
So I don’t see any “lame duck” thing coming about as a result of the Euro elections. He has definitely inflicted lame duck status on himself now though.
If they got 37% of the vote but 60% of the seats you'd be licking their boots praising them for a decisive victory.
I think it was an attempt to either lance the boil or get the RN in while they're still growing and supervise them as president. It's not that important given that his gambit failed and failed utterly.
As I said earlier, I'm not sure if he was right to call it, but maybe he was thinking the alternative is he is a lame duck and trying to forestall a virtual wipeout for the Centrists next time round.
The question is who will the French public blame for the instability, Macron for calling the election, or the popular front who as largest party have to try to manage it in parliament. The stresses of the instability and hung parliament may break apart the popular front.
Even when they win they cause destruction
100 % - i do not get the people saying Macron played a blinder?
Sure, LePen did not win the election, but he has opened the door for them now at the cost of a very very fragile government or none at all.
Le Pen is seen as major issue but members of NPF as just as bad if not worse.
