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SA vs Ireland First Test 2024 - The World Champions vs The Best Team in the World

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    He also looks offside when he hits Casey - don’t think he was ever onside there, and in the same sequence, Koch clears out Doris way past the ball too. It was a perfect synopsis of the sort of stuff going on at virtually every ruck that the ref and TMO chose to actively ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Highlighting facts does 'really seem to have annoyed someone. 😂' (to quote your high quality post)

    Zebo has retired and when you look at the level of fat he was carrying for a back three player, his notoriety for being a lazy trainer, and his body clearly breaking down (through missing time with injuries and dealing with cramps even when he played) I don't know how you can put up a debate to my other comment.

    Good form or not, Haley couldn't beat that player out - which you would be expecting to play for Ireland, or even get into an Irish squad. That is 100% on Haley and justifies AF's previous judgement on him and why barring a miracle he wont get near playing for Ireland again in a meaningful match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    If he does his cruciate again, that's absolutely fine by me.

    Are you okay?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Feel that is a bit hyperbolic.

    It probably is a penalty but you tend see something similar to this in most games, probably a dozen plus times when you're playing SA or their club sides when they're fully up for it - like the Bulls v Leinster in the semi.

    It is one of the risks of playing such an undersized player when it comes to those types of collisions (pretty sure I've seen Faf come off badly also). The outcome of those incidents is multiplied on smaller players. The Koch clearout a few seconds later on Doris could have easily ended the same way but Doris has more ballast and luck of where his head landed.

    As for the lack of remorse and concern for an opponent, that reaction is far from what I want to see from a player on my team. However, it and the high fives likely come from the full siege mentality Rassie has instilled within the Boks. Even presuming him and Casey are on good terms post Munster, Rassie has stated his aim is to have his players hating the opposition as they go onto the pitch so that reaction isnt at all surprising. It will always be wild to me how some here still look up to Rassie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I’m a bit annoyed that an Irish player was carted off, badly concussed, with his neck in a brace because of the deliberate foul play of an opponent.


    Apart from that, I’m fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    That's fair enough, I didn't know that.

    I was wrong on the intentional part. Here's the video, the ball hits Kellehers knee, and then he move his foot backwards. He knew the ball was right there and he knew by moving his foot that direction would hit the ball. Claiming it wasn't intentional seems very far fetched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    What wound me up worse about the whole Casey incident was the TV Director zooming in on a guy who looked out cold on the turf - how horrific must that have been for his family and friends watching it?

    And then, during the stoppage in play you’ve that prick on the tannoy (a real bugbear of mine in SA rugby games anyway) hyping up the crowd and acting like it’s a rave while the crowd do some shite with their phones and sing.

    I understand it’s a sporting event and people are there to enjoy themselves etc but even a modicum of common decency would see fans act with some solemnity as a guy is stretchered off the field while receiving oxygen.

    But this is the completely classless culture down there that Rassie champions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    What are you talking about? He’s in a practical chokehold by Le Roux, facing the complete opposite direction.

    He’s not that dexterous or composed that he’s probably even fully aware of the direction he’s moving his right leg in in that incident as he’s simply trying to shrug off Willie le Roux who is hanging off his neck.

    It is, at its most generous, a really marginal call, and in a game where there was shite and late clear outs and clear outs way past the ball happening at virtually every ruck, to go back for that and disallow a try is pure bullshit.
    As I said, in the exact same ruck, Bundee Aki is latched on for ages - that’s ignored, Willie le Roux then flops off his feet over the ball (ignored) and then plainly and obviously neck rolls Kelleher (also ignored).

    It’s a shocking decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    I still find it absolutely inappropriate that the ref gives such a severe dress down to Doris while an Irish players is lying unconcious beside them. Ref didnt even check on Casey. In fact, Casey's head nearly lands on the referees foot.

    As for the tackle itself, the key thing for me is that he was driven backwards onto the turf, landing on his back and head, without any opportunity to protect his head as he landed. Its absolutely clear dangerous play, in my opinion. Its far more than just a late tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'm talking about Kelleher knew the ball was next to his leg and he has moved his leg towards the ball and he has knocked it back. If a player know where the ball is, and moves his legs towards the ball the claiming it wasn't done intentionally is a very big reach. For the ref to assume it wasn't intentional in the scenario would be very odd.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It is one of the risks of playing such an undersized player 

    No offence but that’s nonsense. If it’s JGP in that situation, the size difference is still massive and the end result is still the same.

    Rugby is an inherently dangerous sport and that’s why it’s so important that referees are vigilant for this type of thing. Casey now has a concussion from a completely avoidable incident, but we don’t seem to care about brain injuries any more.


    We all love a bit of shithousery but this is something very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    To overturn an onfield decision requires clear and obvious evidence. The only clear and obvious thing in that ruck was a neck roll on Kelleher.

    Either the try stands as there is no clear and obvious evidence or it's an ireland penalty for foul play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    You’re the one making that argument, and I don’t think it stands up to scrutiny.

    It’s also worth pointing out it’s only an argument that’s popped up now that you’ve realised he has to do so intentionally for it to be a penalty, when you earlier claimed “it didn’t matter if it was unintentional”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    FYI I never made the claim suggested in the post


    Haley isn’t even in squad so not sure what the point of comment is in first place

    Post edited by Clo-Clo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It’s absolutely relevant.

    If his foot hits the ball as part of his natural movement when being brought to ground then there is no infringement and it’s play on.

    The offence is playing the ball when off your feet. It’s not playing the ball if it’s caused by natural movement from the momentum of being brought to ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    if you see Whitehouse in action he loves those moment, he will miss all the obvious stuff but anything that makes him front and centre he is all over it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020


    wishing a player gets injured?idiot

    Mod: Warned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Adamson is as poor as Whitehouse. But, its not like we aren't used to this. Pick ourselves up and get stuck in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Scummy comment

    Actually if that what you really wish for him just send him back to munster. They did a pretty good job of it over past 4 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Funny that people seem more exercised by a throwaway comment on an anonymous internet forum than by a guy getting carted off the field with his neck in a brace. Different perspectives on what is acceptable behaviour I guess.

    To be clear, I don't hope he gets injured, I just hope he never plays for Leinster. I don't mind how that happens, if he reneged on his contract, if his visa got revoked, if he went off to join a cult in the Drakensberg mountains, if he finally decided to pursue his dream of acting on Broadway, any of these would be just fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Do you agree that Kelleher was off his feet when his foot moved causing the ball to come back on the irish side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Snyman injury issues started long before he went to Munster

    Also, at least once if not more he has come back injured from duty with Boks to Munster, including post World Cup

    Based on the video he was looking to nail Casey, maybe because of the celebrations a few mins before.

    Did he mean to knock him out? I doubt it somehow.

    In terms of playing for Leinster, he is signed and if fit he will be playing, mostly as a sub I would expect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The best thing the ref (and other players) can do in the Casey situation I stay out of the way and let the professionals deal with it. Or....

    Pearce : you ok mate?

    Casey : yeah I'm great. Got knocked out cold and now theres 4 paramedics here strapping me to a stretcher and hooking me up to an oxygen kit. But otherwise I'm great. Thanks for checking, that was all I needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,228 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It did it it's hole cost us, Pollard left more points behind than Crowley

    I stayed away from here until I saw the match (tonight ), and I want to watch it (knowing the result) but without the group think from here and jaysus, the take on the game, the ref and certain players is nothing short of outrageous.

    Ireland were poor, didn't get the rub of the green either but we lacked cohesion throughout the game. Overall it was a very disappointing game from Ireland, lots of players with a very mixed bag. Be interesting to see us turn it around next week.

    Hopefully, Casey will be ok but he's tour is done now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Looking forward to the second game. Cracking first game. Hopefully we’re not down too many players. SA well worth the win on Saturday but we could have snatched it. Ireland showed great grit to stick in it and quality to take the chances we did. Thought Baird was excellent off the bench in both defence.

    Regarding the Casey Snyman incident, I didn’t feel there was too much in it, happens numerous times a game. Casey was very unfortunate to take the brunt of the fall on the back of his head and it was exacerbated by the size difference between the two of them and the hardness of the pitch.

    Just relieved it sounds likes he’s ok as we’ve all read horror stories of people on nights out being punched, falling badly and not ever regaining consciousness. I’m sure Snyman fells bad about the outcome of the tackle and would expect he’s reached out to him privately. Frustrating for Casey that he won’t get the opportunity to back up what was a good performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Absolute garbage, unless Kelleher has eyes in his ankles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    On the Casey incident. I didn't think it looked that bad in real time but looking at it again it does look bad. High fives? Not a good look.

    Snyman never looked or sounded the smartest guy in the world. I listened to the Rugby Pod some time back where the 'hilarious' antics of this 7 foot guy going around ripping shirts off his teammates showed how 'funny' he is. In any other environment he'd probably have been fired.

    He was also one of the Mensa candidates that tried to blow themselves up at a BBQ wasn't he?

    I groaned when Leinster signed him. If that's his measure he'll be binned more times than not. If he stays fit....which our Munster brethren know, is a big if.

    Hopefully Casey is ok. Farrell was so annoyed it must have been a fairly bad concussion...not that any of them are nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Our attack was really poor for most of the match, completely lacking the usual shape and intricacy. I think if they click next week, they'll put a big score on SA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The backs have lost JGP, Sexton, Hansen, Ringrose and Keenan from the team in last 12 months, of course Ringrose could come back in

    But that’s some loss of attacking flair to replace



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The whole shape was off. Guys like Lowe and Osborne are well used to being in the playmaker role, but didn't really feature at all as the 2nd receiver option. The forwards were making more plays than the backs for most of the match



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