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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    All of what you just put up has been debunked many times over.


    Boris Johnson did not wreck any deal.


    Excuse me if I don’t swallow blatant Russian lies and propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where are your posts from 2022 on this deal then? Own up.

    There was no deal in 2022. I remember some lies being peddled about a so called peace deal back then too. Russian propaganda dumps lapped up by those who like that sort of thing.

    There was no deal.

    News of Russian atrocities and previous Russian record of breaking agreements convinced Ukraine that Russia could not be trusted to engage in good faith.

    Ukraine gave peace a chance with Russia. The peace as per Budapest. Russia violated it.

    Russia launched an unprovoked attack on Ukraine. Fact.

    Ukraine is entitled to ally with or join NATO as per the NATO Russia Founding Act and Budapest Agreement. Fact.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,483 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Behind paywall. I'm going to leave it at that I think.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    If I was Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, Iraqi, Palestinian, Iranian, Afghani, Egyptian, Syrian, Libyan, Bolivian, Nicaraguan, Haitian, Cuban, Kenyan, Ukrainian, Venezeulan, etc. I'd probably trust the Russian's over the American's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Sadly, I don't keep a diary. I spoke to my very pro war neighbour and others. I couldn't believe the deal was allowed to collapse so easily but after seeing what's happened in Palestine, not surprised anymore.

    Anyway, back to work for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    they have subscriptions to the nytimes and every other western newspaper on Orwell road. sloppy work forgetting about paywalls vatnik. you hardly have a copy of The Sims 3 you could loan me?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The accused in question in this particular article isn't even Ukrainian, Greek volunteer.

    And the thing here is, it's not about you, you are already fully onboard. The trouble comes when the people who aren't fully onboard read these articles and that a blind eye was turned to murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Russian propaganda seems to be based on a hope that collective amnesia exists in the West. Remember how in January 2022 they kept saying there will be no invasion and that the troops massed on borders of Ukraine are only American propaganda? After the initial invasion failed in the North and the East (but somewhat succeeded in the coastal areas) there were several rounds of talks, but Russia talking peace while at the same time murdering civilians in Mariupol wasn't exactly believable. But now it has been rewritten to "the West prevented the peace deal".

    Russia lies and breaks treaties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone


    So you are saying as an Irish person that you trust the Russians more than America to protect Ireland

    So you would welcome Russian warships in Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Are you? And you trust the Russians over Trump's intelligence agency?

    So you are a fan of one man genocidal ,assassinatorial rule?

    Do you think the citizens in your list of countries feel the same way?

    Are you looking for a hand out to emigrate to Russia too?

    Or will you just wait for Trump to be elected and emigrate there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭macraignil


    The contents of the article are not clear to me because as I said already I'm not going to read anything posted here by a disingenuous putin supporter who only has time to post articles negative about Ukraine and engage in promoting some kremlin sponsored fantasy that putin invaded Ukraine while at the same time offering peace and a way out for them from the terrible situation of joining a defensive pact between countries that do not think being invaded by putin should be tolerated. You re posting a link from the one sided argument they present on behave of the aggressor in the conflict has no real benefit and I don't see the trouble you are talking about as those feeble minded enough to swallow kremlin propaganda will in my opinion not be sufficient in numbers to influence the conflict where almost everyone can see Ukraine has a right to defend itself form putin's terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Like whack a mole with these Bots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Howya 'Mick', good to hear from you again. I suppose more free time on yer hands these days. Link us to the article or report or post where you advised us of this back in 2022.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can't just hide your head in the sand man, la Pen is close to getting a majority in France, AfD is on the march in Germany and god forbid Joe doesn't step aside and we have Trump as NATO head. Coming down heavy on this stuff is an important part of the propaganda/information war.

    And it's an article from the New York Times, not RT, it's going to carry a lot more weight and be seen by a lot more people.

    Not to mention the plain old morality of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Nope, I'm Irish.

    I trust the American ideologues to stupidly cause wars.

    I don't know much about the Russians, they don't seem to have the soft power like the American's to lie whenever they want. The Russian's seem ruthless when they are finally provoked into attacking and unlike the USA, they are prepared to take heavy casualties.

    Post edited by engineerws on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I suppose they were “provoked” into attacking Georgia, Checyna, Afghanistan etc etc??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Nothing to do with them being a dictatorship and having no other tools than mass casualties?

    "finally provoked into attacking" is the verbiage of a complete gobshite.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Look up what they did in Chechnya in 1994

    Or should I say, starting in 1994



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I have the right to choose where I get my media articles and information from and it is not going to be from an unapologetic pro putin social media poster. I don't call that hiding my head in the sand.

    Even if putin has some friends in the far right political spectrum in some other countries his military has been decimated and is hemorrhaging huge losses every day they stay in Ukraine so time is not on his side no mater how many social media posts would like to pretend it is. Support for Ukraine will continue and they are not as weak as putin would like to pretend they are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Well, ''personally'' I have a good idea. The side that doesn't allow the UN and Human Rights NGOs to operate in its territory. The side that Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have condemned for multiple violations of human rights. The side which has several people in authority who are wanted by the ICC. The side that openly boasts about it's crimes and calls for more. The side whose soldiers openly chat about murder, torture, rape and pillage on social media. The side that has kidnapped thousands of children. The side that returns POWs in prisoner exchanges looking like they've just walked out of Changi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You've been caught out peddling Russian lies. You offer no response to the discrediting of the lies about the deal other than "back to work" … then lo and behold, pop up within the hour on the thread. Your posts have no credibility.

    Do you think we have amnesia?

    We've heard these lies before. We've heard these excuses, until you come along with the next discredited piece of Russian propaganda.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Blah, blah. Who do you think Mongolians, Chechens, Syrians, Afghans, Armenians, Georgians, Finns, Swedes, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Moldavians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tadjiks, Bulgarians, Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians trust?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭jmreire


    One thing I really don't like or trust about any post is one that calls as its "witnesses" So called  Quote "High-profile figures like tech mogul Elon Musk and Fox News host Tucker Carlson " while using words like "a senile Biden and corrupt dictator, Zelenski." Pure and utter Kremlin crap. Something Gonzales was famous for, (amongst other things… his anti-woman stance and involvement in the so-called Manosphere, under the name of Coach Red Pill, where his activities to say the least were highly questionable.) he was 100% pro Putin, and penned lots of Kremlin anti Ukraine and anti Zelenski propaganda. He was arrested in Ukraine for his anti-Ukrainian posting, which broke Ukrainian law, and released on bail, and then he attempted to escape in the middle of the winter, and while on the run contracted pneumonia and later died from it while in prison. Had he been as critical of Putin as he was of Zelenski and Ukraine, and was captured by Putin, he would have been begging for death from pneumonia I can assure you. He would have been screaming for it in fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    AFAIK, Russia is a democracy.

    The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government.

    Have heard dictatorship bandied around a lot with references to us state backed freedom house.

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia

    Not exactly an impartial source. Might as well ask the Russians whether Ukraine is predominantly Nazis.

    Do you a supporting article to show how Russia is a dictatorship from a non state actor, e.g. respected historian. Journal article would be even better 👍

    verbiage of a complete gobshite.

    Not sure why you're resorting to name calling. Very rude. No marks for diplomacy for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Russia is neither a democracy, a law based state, or a republic. It is a dictatorship run by Putin.

    Just as it breaks international agreements, it makes a mockery of the text of its own constitution, which isn't worth the paper it is written on.

    Russia is assessed as Authoritarian.

    You will find no evidence based observer who asserts Russia is a functioning democracy with free elections.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The intention was to integrate more with the EU, but no discussion whatsoever about joining NATO prior to Putin's illegal invasion. Talk about joining NATO only began several months after he invaded, and with good reason, but even then, there was no possibility of Ukraine getting NATO membership simply because a very basic requirement for NATO membership is that the applicant Country cannot be involved in a war at the time of application. And its clear that NATO was only ever a fig leaf to cover and try to legitimize Putins invasion. This has been well proven when Finland and Sweden joined, and got no response from Putin, On the contrary, he's pulled most of his military away from the Russian-Finnish border. And as has been well proven with Putin, any treaty, agreement, etc. signed by him is less than worthless, and he and his mafia are dead set on the complete destruction and genocide of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "AFAIK, Russia is a democracy."

    You really are full of it .

    I don't need your link (whatever it is) to convince me the opposite of what my senses tell me.

    You should get checked in (unless someone is paying you).

    (didn't bother reading the rest of your post and I won't engage with you any further)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭zv2


    @engineerws "There's lots on it if you google around. Many commentators maintain that the US wrecked the deal via the Boris Johnson intervention."

    Kuleba said this is Russian propaganda. He said the talks failed because Russian demands were unacceptable to Ukraine.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Sure it does, but the image shown of the soldier sitting on the chair holding his rifle, while beside him stands a sledgehammer, and because hes not wearing any insignia, its open to doubt who he actually represents, Russia or Ukraine. Sledgehammers were a favourite mention of execution by Wagner. Not saying that the guy in question was actually Wagner, but it does throw doubt on it.



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