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Any source for this bit of front line information?
Meanwhile more of putin's air force stopped from murdering Ukrainians defending their home:
https://unn.ua/en/news/ukrainian-military-shoots-down-russian-su-25-in-donetsk-region
Two Patriot launchers supposedly hit. Where do they be moving them to in order to get hit. Afaik they were moving them and not set up to counter fire.
They are on the way but it's slow progress, also the Russians are preparing for them (hitting airfields, etc)
They will definitely help Ukraine but keep in mind they are unlikely to be a big game changer. Not in the current proposed numbers anyway.
In your first link the sources of the info are Putin and his state spokesman, Peskov
The second link is a "news" site run by the Chinese state
Next up a report from Infowars perhaps?
"Krasnoyarsk authorities announced underfunding of the Norilsk development program from the federal budget. They say that for some reason Moscow has cut funding. Why would this🤔🤔🤔"
Krasnoyarsk residents are complaining Moscow are cutting funding for maintenance. Post sarcastically asks why would they do this with the image shown.
The national airline of russia had a forced landing near the village of Sosnovo-Ozerskoye injuring six people. A criminal case has been opened for violating flight safety rules in the 1947 model aircraft.
🤣 Dukes of Blyat
But getting a bit closer to home in Russia…Just try being an ethnic Russian living in any of the Russian Republics and see how that goes for you in the popularity stakes… not to mention what might happen to you and yours if Putin ever loses power in Moscow….If that happened, your best bet as an ethnic Russian would be to pack your bags and head for Moscow,,,How do I know? I used to live there. Oh, and that tripe you posted about Russian being a democracy, with a constitution etc.. more Bullcrap. Russia is controlled by a murderous dictator, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and he alone, is the Alfa and the Omega of all things legal or otherwise in Russia. The life of everyone in the Russian Federation depends on his whim. Don't believe me? You could always go there for a visit, and see what you think then, OK? But for certain sure, such a visit would radically change your views on Putin and his Russia..
High speed chase in Siberia. Police fire bullets on fleeing teenagers driving the national car brand.
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Think they will be lucky to get double figures this year. Alternatively the dark horse Mirage 2000s might turn up first at this rate.
they have several credibility mines in siberia but they've press ganged all the workers to be slaughtered in Ukraine
Are these F16's ever going to arrive, or are they all empty promises
Russian lies, peddled and discredited multiple times already on this thread. If you were actually engaged in critical thinking, you would have looked for more information, but nope, just latch into Russian propaganda and dump it here.
Here you go, bob's your uncle - the real reasons why there was no deal, and there never was any tangible deal, it was just the usual Russian bad faith.
Russian war crimes and atrocities such as Bucha. War crimes and atrocities you no doubt refuse to condemn without reservation:
"The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories."
And secondly, Ukraine did not trust to abide by any peace deal, based on previous deals they had broken:
Zelensky, Romaniuk says, had been sceptical about Russia’s willingness to stick to any peace agreements from the start.
Ukraine did not believe Russia was negotiating in good faith:
While talks continued in Belarus and Istanbul, Russia’s leadership kept repeating that it would reach the goals of its military campaign: ‘denazification’ (regime change) and ‘demilitarisation’ (the destruction of Ukraine’s military potential). The reality on the ground showed Russian troops wouldn’t have withdrawn from the newly occupied territories in the south and east of Ukraine, and were making preparations for lasting rule. Negotiators from the Russian side had been low-ranking politicians that had no power to sign any deals and no direct line to Putin, which was a signal to the Ukrainian negotiating team.
https://www.thebureau.news/p/no-the-west-did-not-sabotage-an-early
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/26582
The last line is absolutley brillant
So Russia WOULD LOSE ALL CREDABILITY
Sorry honey that boat has already sailed
"Citing unnamed sources from Zelenskyy's "inner circle"". Hmmm…I'm always suspicious when unnamed people are supposed to have said something.
I'm quoting Kuleba. He said Russia's demands were not acceptable.
as they say that if you repeat the ‘Lie’ (ie there was a deal ) often enough it will become true
Big Russian ammo dump has been going all day.
Sure it does, but the image shown of the soldier sitting on the chair holding his rifle, while beside him stands a sledgehammer, and because hes not wearing any insignia, its open to doubt who he actually represents, Russia or Ukraine. Sledgehammers were a favourite mention of execution by Wagner. Not saying that the guy in question was actually Wagner, but it does throw doubt on it.
@engineerws "There's lots on it if you google around. Many commentators maintain that the US wrecked the deal via the Boris Johnson intervention."
Kuleba said this is Russian propaganda. He said the talks failed because Russian demands were unacceptable to Ukraine.
"AFAIK, Russia is a democracy."
You really are full of it .
I don't need your link (whatever it is) to convince me the opposite of what my senses tell me.
You should get checked in (unless someone is paying you).
(didn't bother reading the rest of your post and I won't engage with you any further)
The intention was to integrate more with the EU, but no discussion whatsoever about joining NATO prior to Putin's illegal invasion. Talk about joining NATO only began several months after he invaded, and with good reason, but even then, there was no possibility of Ukraine getting NATO membership simply because a very basic requirement for NATO membership is that the applicant Country cannot be involved in a war at the time of application. And its clear that NATO was only ever a fig leaf to cover and try to legitimize Putins invasion. This has been well proven when Finland and Sweden joined, and got no response from Putin, On the contrary, he's pulled most of his military away from the Russian-Finnish border. And as has been well proven with Putin, any treaty, agreement, etc. signed by him is less than worthless, and he and his mafia are dead set on the complete destruction and genocide of Ukraine.
Russia is neither a democracy, a law based state, or a republic. It is a dictatorship run by Putin.
Just as it breaks international agreements, it makes a mockery of the text of its own constitution, which isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Russia is assessed as Authoritarian.
You will find no evidence based observer who asserts Russia is a functioning democracy with free elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
AFAIK, Russia is a democracy.
The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government.
Have heard dictatorship bandied around a lot with references to us state backed freedom house.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia
Not exactly an impartial source. Might as well ask the Russians whether Ukraine is predominantly Nazis.
Do you a supporting article to show how Russia is a dictatorship from a non state actor, e.g. respected historian. Journal article would be even better 👍
verbiage of a complete gobshite.
Not sure why you're resorting to name calling. Very rude. No marks for diplomacy for you.
One thing I really don't like or trust about any post is one that calls as its "witnesses" So called Quote "High-profile figures like tech mogul Elon Musk and Fox News host Tucker Carlson " while using words like "a senile Biden and corrupt dictator, Zelenski." Pure and utter Kremlin crap. Something Gonzales was famous for, (amongst other things… his anti-woman stance and involvement in the so-called Manosphere, under the name of Coach Red Pill, where his activities to say the least were highly questionable.) he was 100% pro Putin, and penned lots of Kremlin anti Ukraine and anti Zelenski propaganda. He was arrested in Ukraine for his anti-Ukrainian posting, which broke Ukrainian law, and released on bail, and then he attempted to escape in the middle of the winter, and while on the run contracted pneumonia and later died from it while in prison. Had he been as critical of Putin as he was of Zelenski and Ukraine, and was captured by Putin, he would have been begging for death from pneumonia I can assure you. He would have been screaming for it in fact.
Blah, blah. Who do you think Mongolians, Chechens, Syrians, Afghans, Armenians, Georgians, Finns, Swedes, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Moldavians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tadjiks, Bulgarians, Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians trust?
You've been caught out peddling Russian lies. You offer no response to the discrediting of the lies about the deal other than "back to work" … then lo and behold, pop up within the hour on the thread. Your posts have no credibility.
Do you think we have amnesia?
We've heard these lies before. We've heard these excuses, until you come along with the next discredited piece of Russian propaganda.
Well, ''personally'' I have a good idea. The side that doesn't allow the UN and Human Rights NGOs to operate in its territory. The side that Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have condemned for multiple violations of human rights. The side which has several people in authority who are wanted by the ICC. The side that openly boasts about it's crimes and calls for more. The side whose soldiers openly chat about murder, torture, rape and pillage on social media. The side that has kidnapped thousands of children. The side that returns POWs in prisoner exchanges looking like they've just walked out of Changi.
I have the right to choose where I get my media articles and information from and it is not going to be from an unapologetic pro putin social media poster. I don't call that hiding my head in the sand.
Even if putin has some friends in the far right political spectrum in some other countries his military has been decimated and is hemorrhaging huge losses every day they stay in Ukraine so time is not on his side no mater how many social media posts would like to pretend it is. Support for Ukraine will continue and they are not as weak as putin would like to pretend they are.
Look up what they did in Chechnya in 1994
Or should I say, starting in 1994
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