BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION - 4TH JULY

True in practice but unwise.All genuine opinions should be respected.

Yes, the voting share was utterly meaningless but it shouldn’t be in a country that claims to be a democracy. Putting people who have little support among the public in power thanks to an undemocratic system is what gives the likes of Farage the chance to fester and grew.

People say that in a more democratic system reform would have 60 seats or whatever, but I would counter that by saying in a more democratic system a democratically elected government wouldn’t have created all the issues and disillusionment among the electorate that have allowed reform to achieve the vote share that they did.

Funny meme online, the latest Hezbollah activist to be taken out.

FPTP is a case of demockracy in action.

Right whatever helps you get through it.

Its like saying the storm was meant to destroy the whole house but look a wall is still up so it's fine

Well I meant not a total disaster.

They seemed almost relieved they came back with triple digit figures and take comfort that they lost many seats due to tactical voting.

I remember 1997. Labour had not only won that election but they had won the next one after it (and even the one after that).

Not the case here.

Either way, they are screwed under the FPTP system. Move too far to the right and they lose the moderate vote - gravitate towards the centre and they lose the Reform votes.

How fvcking dare you accuse me of such absolute unfounded bullsh1t. You have come out with some absolute horseshit in your history on this site but that takes the biscuit. I have been always absolutely consistent on my criticism of FPtP and the need for electoral reform in the UK. Reform deserve to have a fair representation of seats vs their vote share just like the Lib Dems have, would I be happy due to my opinions of them? No. but I would never complain that they had an equitable seat share vs votes and that democracy was properly being enacted.

Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson fit the description but I am not sure which is clearly the party of toffs .Certainly not Starmer and his grouping,I would say. but let's not forget Thatcher and Tebbit weren't toffs either even if She went to Oxbridge from recollection.

Geoffrey Howe ,her joyous nemesis was I think a toff (but appearances can deceive and perhaps he had a more normal background .I just don't know.)

Is Suella Bravaman a toff?

Moggxit.

Ah the 5 stages of grief. It is a disaster. Worst in tory history it's a disaster

Hopefully he never had a punt on it.

To come back into at least 5 years of pointless opposition with little hope of government even after that?

With the performance of Reform the Tories are looking at years in the political wilderness. People like JRM are not interested in rebuilding or reshaping.

He knows he reached the top due to Brexit. Nothing left for him now.