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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    This is revisionism tho. Henshaw absolutely contributed to the loss that day.

    It should be ok to mention that, it seems like a reasonable comparison for a centre playing FB again.

    That doesn’t mean everyone is out to get Osborne.



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    Frisch is an iq player contracted to an irish club. Anyway way to make a mountain out of a small bit at the end of a comment



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    No No you asked for some rotation of players into the team that means you must be enthusiastic about a player being played out of position or your s hypocrite 🙄

    The people claiming others like to be annoyed themselves like to be. Already multiple comments about people wanting to jump on osbourne if he plays poorly, im not sure iv seen anyone say a bad word about him most are very excited for him as a player to think its odd for a player to play his second senior game of rugby at 15 vs the world champions is odd is not unreasonable at all



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    And if someones previously said we should rotate players in that dosent mean they have to think tom o toole playing 10 is a great idea



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a bit of a bizarre selection, but I've so little hype for this series it's difficult to be bothered by it.

    About time Casey got a big start, no longevity in our other options.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I love this selection for a game we are expected to lose that is low stakes. This is what Summer tours should be about, build the team for next season and beyond. Hopefully Osborne does well and puts pressure on Keenan for the shirt. Hopefully Casey and Crowley can replicate some of the higher tempo play we like from JGP and gain more confidence together in green. The boks are the ones wetting the bed on social media, very little pressure on us for this match whereas if they lose Ireland establish themselves as a bogey treat for them and Rassie loses a little more cognition next week. Bring it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I agree with the sentiment of a game of low stakes. I still think a more prudent selection of Osborne, at 12, would be much more beneficial to the side and particularly to the player himself.

    If there was scope for growth for him as a fullback I could somewhat get behind the selection, even though I would still think this selection is asking way too much from a young guy on his debut.

    Pleasantly surprised that Farrell went with Casey.

    If SA score a try early it could turn into a heavy defeat. SA 32-10 Ireland

    On the social media stuff - Its unsavory from Erasmus and SA.

    I'm probably in the minority but I was delighted that Johnny Watterson called it out in the IT today.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2024/07/05/hyping-up-the-violent-imagery-an-unhealthy-route-for-rugby-to-take/

    ————————————————-

    War is mentioned again by a commentator, this time an “all-out war” with the video closing with two players, Irish centre Bundee Aki and South Africa’s Jesse Kriel in profile facing each other like a pair of heavyweight sluggers at a weigh-in looking as though they are eager to get on it right there and not wait for fight night.

    As the video comes to an end, the profiles of the players move closer together with bolts of lightning shooting from their eyes, then closes with the Springbok and South African logo “Forever Green Forever Gold”.

    From the many comments on social media, the hype video appears to have gone down very well with fans. Perhaps part of that is because it is something new for rugby, and that it has not reached the weary levels of fakery in professional boxing, which even when the aggression and insults are not fake, they seem fake because it has been done so many times in the past.

    ………………………………………………………..

    Still, without being po-faced, there is a question for rugby. Everyone knows matches must be profitable to keep the game healthy. But does it want to normalise the talking up of war and violence on the pitch to attract a younger, bloodthirsty audience?

    And is it appropriate given the cases currently running through the courts here and in the UK involving brain-damaged rugby players?

    —————————————————No. It definitely isnt appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    How Casey measures up in size to Du Pont and de Klerk is what Casey should be aiming at, in particular how Du Pont supports on the inside which provides half his tries, de Klerk is exceptional in the back field covering kicks, both not much bigger than Casey but more powerful and way ahead in the brains dept,.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    Dupont and Faf both have 10kg on Craig. He has a bit of bulking up to do. Dupont in particular is a little tank.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Dupont does (and has probably dropped a couple of kilos to prepare for the Olympics). FDK doesn't though according to the available stats. His fitness is outrageous which allows him be everywhere and, as mentioned above, he's a very smart player. You rarely see him make a bad decision or do something silly despite touching the ball 50+ times in a game. He became first choice for SA at 24 and hasn't looked back. Those smarts/consistency is what Casey should aspire to but I'm not sure he has that capability (which is no criticism given the level we're talking about here).

    I don't think Casey can really bulk up much. He's not skinny. He's just a small guy. FDK is the same weight but has a couple of inches on him. If Casey puts on 5kg, he'll find it hard going to keep playing with the same tempo as he is known for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,236 ✭✭✭✭phog


    What channel is the match on tomorrow?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I still maintain Casey has the best pass on the island, and is the closest analog to JGP that we have.

    There are downsides which we’ve seen on occasion, owing to his size, but there’s tonnes of upside too. I’m excited to see how he gets on, big game for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,236 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Its his first big start for Ireland. Italy games still don't count.

    Kicking was the thing….has it improved much?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its his first big start for Ireland. Italy games still don't count.

    It was one of Italy's only 2 losses in the 6N. I'm pretty sure that counts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Its very hard to start a reasonable conversation here sometimes.

    ok. they're not comparable matches at all…. but if you insist

    Has his kicking improved much?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'm not the one being irrationally dismissive of a team that won 2 matches and drew another in the 6N for outdated historical reasons.

    No, his kicking is still iffy. But Murray is ponderous and forces us to adapt our normal gameplan. I'd much rather we go with the aggressive approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    My own impression fwiw is that it’s an area of his game that’s improved (and needed to) in the last 2 seasons, but had a better 22/23 off the boot.

    He’ll never get Murray’s hang time tho.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Italy have have finished bottom in eight of the last nine years. This year being the exception to the rule. Claiming that previous eight years are "historical" seems a bit of a stretch tbh. It's a massive step up to what Casey has ever experienced before.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Casey isn't in there to kick contestables.

    With the back three we've selected we're going to kick long in defense

    If we were planning to drop garrowens we'd have selected Murray



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, but Casey played them this year. You can't just reflexively dismiss it as "just Italy" given the context of their performances and results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    you should know better…..going on like that with genuine posters.

    You know well I've been posting here long enough. And the 'irrationally dismissive'! Really? 36v0 ….haven't beaten Ireland in what 15 games?

    You think those games v Italy are comparable. Good luck to you



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The fact we beat them comfortably with Casey starting whereas everyone else struggled or lost to them is a massive positive for Casey, not a reason to dismiss the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'd argue it would be a lot smarter to dismiss rather than declare they are suddenly a great team. They finished last in the previous eight 6 Nations and were equally as poor on the World cup. It's more likely that teams they played in the 6 nations played a level below what they are capable of, rather than Italy raising a level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I haven't seen enough of Munster recently to know or been particularly struck with his kicking in the games I've seen.

    This is the biggest vote of confidence from Farrell he's had to date.

    I'd imagine we'll see very few kicks from Casey but there is going to be times he's going to have to put boot to ball with slow ruck ball.

    3 left footers starting for Ireland. Cant recall the last time Ireland selected that in a serious Test.

    Springboks will prob target that Nash wing .

    Maybe one of the reasons Farrell brought in Osborne FB. He can be 1st receiver for clearing kicks on the RHS.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is nothing sudden about it. They beat Wales and Scotland, drew in Paris and lost by 3 points to England!

    Claiming the start against Italy, in by far the best performance of any team against them, doesn't count is unfairly dismissive. Casey has limitations obviously, but he has performed well when called upon by Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    They lost 60-7 to France in the world cup four months prior to that. To then claim drawing with them was not sudden seems a little far fetched.

    Casey has done well when called upon, but that been against teams miles off the standard of South Africa.

    Post edited by Augme on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    I think Casey has earned a start, the only other alternative in this match was Murray, maybe Blade but I think Casey is ahead of him this season.

    I'm really not sold on Osborne at 15 but they obviously want to have a look at him, I wouldn't have picked him there personally in a match like this. Midfield would have been better for him I'd have thought



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