Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

One independent TD emailed me back about the EU migration pact and said and I quote "Mad Stuff"

Of course the FF TD in my area hasn't responded…..

Because the government want this through so they can say they are no longer responsible for migration into Ireland. In the future they can respond to all questions with 'we are obliged to follow EU regulations'.

This is just more posturing for votes by FG.

Unless they are planning on updating the existing legislation she already has the power to do this.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1956/act/26/section/19/enacted/en/html#sec19:~:text=The%20Minister%20may%20revoke%20a%20certificate%20of%20naturalisation%20if%20he%20is%20satisfied%E2%80%94

No they haven’t, this is lip service

Watch what they do with the migration pact and get back to me

Might as well clarify it does look like an update to the legislation. Supreme court previously took issue with various parts of this.

There really should be more extensive discussion and debate as to what exactly is involved in the pact

While I absolutely think we should retain control of our sovereignty on this, the fact that Ivana Bacik is very much opposed to it gives me pause that there must be some sensible provisions involved also.

I'd take no notice of his like, they oppose everything.

If it went to a referendum, no one would vote for it. Far easier to just ram it through the Dail at warp speed with as little discussion as possible.

Question with "Prime Time" and "The Tonight Show" on tonight was there any reference to the EU Migration Pact?

They allowed discussion and dissent at the European elections. If the people of Ireland were so against it, they could have elected MEPs who were against it. But barring a smal number, the majority elected are in favour of it.

That’s some twisted logic

883 migrants in 15 boats crossed the channel yesterday

God help the UK and what's the betting alot of these illegals will be coming to Ireland

Regarding the EU Migration Pact, for those looking for a decrease in IPAs (especially young single men from non-warzone countries), is the pact not a step in the right direction? Maybe I've misunderstood the analysis of it but it looks to be a more restrictive system that what we have in place in Ireland currently?

Even though this pact makes huge concessions to the anti-immigration movements around europe it seems they've turned on it.

I suspect several different reasons for this.

1. Knowing restrictive practices won't actually work to any great degree they need to draw their popular vote by always looking for something more extreme.
2. It genuinely isn't extreme enough for some. Some might believe in actually trying for zero IPA/undocumented immigration and can see hard military approaches as the only way they might possibly achieve this. (Not that this would work, or ever happen)
3. It's too pro EU. Pushing for individual national approaches is a great way of causing a rift in the EU and/or seeking an exit. Eg Wilder had to agree to stop looking directly for leaving the EU to form a gov coalition, instead he ratchets up calling for a national approach to immigration.
4. Similar to point 3, it's part of their pro-Putin allegiances to cause division on immigration.

You might think so but:

It will take two years minimum to be up and running and knowing our track record of faffing and dithering and general incompetence, I can't see any government getting enough staff in place.

We can't opt into the mandatory and very important verification of ID, criminal check etc. due to not being in Schengen. What do you want to bet that we won't hurry ourselves to get the mechanisms in place to do anything we're not obliged to.

We still have to take a certain number unless we pay in lieu. This gives any government carte blanche to continue taking people whom we could refuse. At the moment our 'fair share' is 2.16% of an expected EU-wide 30,000 target relocations for the first year. But as time goes on the annual number of relocations will increase because the EU administration wants a certain number migrants. Ireland sees only the tip of the iceberg of those who are arriving illegally in the EU. This year Latvia, Lithuania and Poland alone have stopped 150,000 illegal crossings so far and plenty of them were on their way to the UK, from where many will end up trying to come to Ireland.

Finally, we still have obligations under the Geneva Convention which dates from post World War II and is clearly no longer fit for purpose. What we really need is a new convention on refugees in keeping with the problems the world is facing today, not in the aftermath of WWII.

https://www.dw.com/en/massive-increase-in-people-smuggling-at-eus-eastern-border/video-67270329