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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    If we win, we play Armagh/Donegal/Kerry in a QF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Brilliant summary there from GAALeagueTables.

    Provincial Final repeats & Group Stage repeats avoided for QF (& pQF).

    Most interesting one there: wins for Mayo, Roscommon & Louth would force Galway/Monaghan onto Dublin.

    For Semi-Final gets a little more complicated with all previous Championship encounters (including Provincial Championships) avoided where possible. Could end up being irrelevant, force specific match ups without a draw or being unavoidable & allow repeats depending on how the QF pairings end up and who ends up coming through.

    https://x.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1802678233512522086

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    But it was yourself that put up the photo showing it clearly wasn't a foot block. I don't have an official definition of a "foot". But it definitely doesn't include half-way up someone's leg. It was clearly the back of Brian Fentons leg (i.e. the calf muscle) that blocked the ball.

    I don't know how anyone can criticize Brick for the pass. He saw the opportunity and it was a perfect pass. He had the ball was on the mayo half back line. It wasn't going to be as simple as Mayo playing around with the ball for another minute and then just miraciously get a shot at goal as the three minutes of injury time are about to elapse. You have to take some chance to get reward. If it were Ciaran McDonald, Diarmuid Connolly, David Clifford, Daragh Canavan, Shane Walsh etc., they would be regarded as genius for setting up what should have been the winning point. But the real issue is that all the players that were in the vicinity of Ciaran Kilkenny, when he caught that last ball, did not all catch him and fling him to the ground and sit on top of him to make sure that all momentum for Dublin going forward was absolutely diminished. The way he and his colleagues did to us some years ago, even though they took a black card for it. But it worked for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    yes I did put it up as to me it shows a block or an attempt to block with the boot. If it’s not a footblock, it certainly looks like an attempt to do so or at best is still a dangerous tackle and should have warranted a penalty.
    The point around that particular infraction is more related to my initial post on how we were not overall a net beneficiary of refereeing decisions - we got a 45 that wasn’t, but these things even out over the course of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    It wasn't going to be as simple as Mayo playing around with the ball for another minute and then just miraciously get a shot at goal as the three minutes of injury time are about to elapse. You have to take some chance to get reward

    That's exactly how simple it was - look back on the last couple of minutes, we had retained the ball for the previous minute with Dublin putting zero pressure on us. We could have done that for another 90s and then made the pass to shoot a winner. The difference between taking a chance then and taking a chance 90s later is that one is a chance for a lead score, the other is a chance for a winning score (although I also agree that we should have dealt better with KK).

    Anyway, I'll leave it at that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Has there been any update on possible injuries to Mattie, Eoghan McLaughlin, Jack Coyne?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I have to agree on Brickendens pass, it was a perfect pass to our best shooter. The pass did its job, even if he didn't win the free, ROD had the ball!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    All the media writing off Derry.

    Don't understand it as its knockout now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Derry don't have a chance against Mayo, only a couple of months ago I posted that I wouldn't be afraid of Mayo in the group stage.

    I wonder what would possess people to drive 3.5 hours to Castlebar for that? Driving that distance sounds dreadful to me. I could understand it if they were going on train. I think maybe they just use it as an excuse for a holiday or to spend time with family. It is not like it will be a great game of football either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Biggest attention seeking gobsh1te the GAA has.



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    Brickenden didn't have the benefit of a clock in the top left of his line of vision to see how far into injury time the game was.

    The ball needed to be delivered to the main scorer and that's what was done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    There's a clock in the stadium, someone on the team needs to take that lead and make sure everyone knows; it's a scenario that should be covered in training.

    This is the type of game management that Dublin do as second nature.

    I'm not saying it's easy to do when you're in the middle of a high octane game but it's small things like this that make the difference between winning and losing against the best teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    Only one scoreboard I could see and it was behind him.

    You honestly think players are looking at the scoreboard to see what's left in the heat of the battle. If it's injury time it's the discretion of the ref so how do you judge that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Like I said, it's not easy to do in the heat of the moment but someone needs to have the presence of mind to glance at the big clock behind them and let their teammates know. Do you honestly think we shouldn't train for it and that players shouldn't do it if it makes the difference between winning and losing? It's a game of inches and all that

    I'll definitely leave it at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    On balance it probably was a footblock from Fenton. There was no distance between his leg and the ball, and its largely irrelevant if he meant it or not. Most players don't mean high tackles for example. Most fouls are accidental or clumsy execution.

    That said most of the decisions balanced out. Mayo had ample opportunities and once good decision making mainly in the final third was lacking.

    However there's no shame in drawing with this Dublin team.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,627 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    We had played out a minute or so of the injury time. At that point, I'm fairly sure that it would be a green light to go for something if it was on. You can't leave it to the dying seconds imo. You have got to back yourself to not concede in a minute or so.

    There's a valid argument to be had on whether the pass was a percentage one to play or not. It wasn't imo, Brickenden seems to back himself though and Iike that about him.

    Imo, the main talking point should be our game management after the kick out. McStay was gesturing like a mad man to retreat when the free was kicked.

    1. This scenario should have been well rehearsed in training
    2. Failing that, he had plenty of time before the free was taken to get the message that they should drop back if it went over.

    Really poor management by McStay imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭crusd


    So what your saying is that instead of trying to create something when there is opportunity to do something positive, what you should instead do is hold onto the ball for 2 minutes with the risk of being turned over and probably ultimately only get a shot to nothing? And you call that good game management? Bizarre rationale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭crusd


    The general consensus seems to be that it was bad game management not dropping back, either from the players or management team. We could avoided a fisted point from the right side of the large rectangle had we filtered everyone back just like Galway did versus Armagh…….oh, wait.

    The real issue was allowing clean primary possession from a kickout to contested space in the middle. Bob Touhy was too honest. As you can see below he was in prime position to just step in and smother Kilkenny, but he took two steps back to cover a potential runner. Tommy also should have just stepped in when it looked like Kilkenny was going to claim the catch. We just dont have the right level of healthy cynicism. We also have to remember that the equalising points was orchestrated by 3 of the best players to ever play the game in Cluxton, Kilkenny and McCaffrey.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Also McCaffrey completely unmarked. Hat's off to Dublin for the way they orchestrated that last score but it's coming up to 8 years since they pulled down our players for that last kickout. You'd wonder if we will ever learn that necessary bit of cynicism at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Yes I think McCaffrey needed a man marker with pace to track him and do a Keegan on him. When he came on, we could have brought Hession in to man mark him as we needed a fresh guy who has pace. Costello also needed to be marked better as he was playing puck.

    These are lessions to be learned but I think the performance surpasses any criticism that can be levelled at the managment/team as they really went for it. I am usually critical as some would know, but in this case where I see a clear improvement accross the board offers real proof that we can get back to where we belong. The trick is now to repeat this on a consistent level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree that the performance supersedes everything. Some much positivity come from a game like that. It's just to make sure that if we meet again that we ready for nearly every scenario. Inches and all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Would love to know what's happened with Hession. Seemed to have a lot of potential and now completely out of favour. Isn't even a first choice sub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭GBXI


    It's fascinating. Remember in the league game in recent years where he sat Morgan down with a right foot solo dummy before knocking it into the net with his left foot. Also, last year in the biggest game to that point, he came off the bench late on v Galway. Mayo one point up. Galway press our kickout. Reape finds Hession but he is under major pressure. He uses his pace brilliantly to get out of trouble and set up an attack which ends with James Carr's winning score.

    How bad must he be playing in training not to at least be one of the first defensive subs on the pitch? To be honest, I'd have him ahead of Jack Coyne every day of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭PressRun


    In the 2021 semifinal, he was hugely instrumental in turning the tide that day. The Dubs struggled to even lay a glove on him after he came on. He must have seriously regressed to no longer be in the conversation for a starting place and barely even making substitute appearances. I know he did spend time on the injury list a few months back, but I don't think that's been an issue for a while now. He just isn't getting picked for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Featured in 5 out of our last 5 league games (+20 off the bench against Kerry on his return from injury and starting the last 4 while finishing 3 of those) and didn't look to have regressed any in those. Not in top form attacking wise (hard to know if that was instructions or form, 50/50) but he looked as solid as anyone at the back in those games (one notable slip between himself & Flynn against Derry that cost a goal, but without knowing the lads triggers to chase I'd have thought that more on Flynn's end).

    He'd have to be suffering some loss of form in training to have dropped far enough to be behind both Swanee & Lofus in the defensive pecking order at this point, from what we saw in the league games. I'd have thought he'd be pushing hard to start against Brick or Coyne coming into the Championship. Just on natural attributes, his pace offers so much on attacking threat & defensive cover, it's odd to see it not being used more.

    Still memories of him pushing the medic/physio off him in the Kerry match last year to dive back into the action or the determination to win & celebrate a few of the big tackles that day. Exactly the type of mentality you love to see on the field. Fingers crossed no niggly injuries or issues holding him back & it's just tight battles for selection. Hell of a baller on his day & one that really excites the crowd whenever he sets off at pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭HBC08


    We have to remember as well we have no info on littles niggles or injuries. We hear about the ACLs etc but not the week to week stuff.

    My guess is something along those lines,his form would have to fall off a cliff (probably in a few actual games) rather than training for him to fall so far behind.

    I'd still have full faith in him.

    We'll need his kind of pace to break down Derry, especially if Eoghan Mac doesn't make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Agreed.

    John Walker gave an update to the Mayo News suggesting Eoghan should be fine, so fingers crossed there. He'd had the ankle issue about 10-15 minutes in, the knee about 20 minutes in & then felt the hamstring tighten around 30 minutes and (thankfully, correct decision even if the game slipped through our fingers) taken off rather than risking it.

    He mentioned a further appeal on the 2 game ban for Fergie too, though I'd not get my hopes too high on that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Thats good news on Eoghan if it comes to pass,we really will need pace from everywhere for what Derry will bring.

    Desperately harsh for Fergie B with the 2 match ban (can you think of a less dirty player?)

    Listening to Colm Keyes,whilst he sympathises with him he doesnt see it being reduced.Would be a big boost if we could get him back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭dog_pig




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    We will be the only GAA county who doesn't get a player off after exhausting the different appeal committees.



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