Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

hold my beer · 18-06-2024 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275096#Comment_122275096

I dunno, anytime I've watched him he's good going forward but still a poor defender.

Brief_Lives · 18-06-2024 03:45PM

No Coombes, No Hodnett but at least two new guys who aren’t first choice for Leinster.

Could this squad BEEEEE more Andy Farrell

awec · 18-06-2024 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275154#Comment_122275154

In fairness, Conan's spot has been taken by Izuchukwu rather than some 2nd/3rd/4th choice Leinster player.

I don't really understand why Osborne is there at all, we're bringing 5 centres. Unless there's a doubt over someone.

sydthebeat · 18-06-2024 03:50PM

seems like quite the message to the leinster management that our supposed 1st and 2nd choice 10s are viewed by the test management as being behind our supposed 3rd and 4th choice.

the writing is not only on the wall methinks

awec · 18-06-2024 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275183#Comment_122275183

Haha I was literally coming here to make this exact comment. It's a bit of a boot in the balls to Cullen.

Must be the first time this has ever happened.

Podge_irl · 18-06-2024 03:52PM

Well I hope it is the harbinger of him being the 1st choice. Would mirror JGP's rise somewhat.

It makes sense, especially given I don't expect him to be in the 23. Farrell knows exactly what he has with the Byrnes.

18-06-2024 03:53PM

Big tour for Craig Casey

awec · 18-06-2024 03:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275196#Comment_122275196

History is repeating itself.

It was Andy Farrell's selection that propelled JGP to where he is today, it seems like Farrell fancies having another go at getting Leinster to pick the right players in their first choice 23.

JPCN1 · 18-06-2024 03:53PM

Healy, POM and Murray should have been given the summer off.

Podge_irl · 18-06-2024 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275203#Comment_122275203

you would have gone down with Casey, Blade and Cooney as the 9s?

awec · 18-06-2024 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275210#Comment_122275210

Good value for money bringing Cooney.

Pay for a scrumhalf, get a sports psychologist for free. 2 for 1.

Clegg · 18-06-2024 03:59PM

Really not keen on Frawley being listed as a 10. He's a better 12/15.

Delighted for Sam Prendergast. Going to be invaluable experience for him.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1803093770205831280?t=ha7yz_s4SdLsc4DLs2Ny8g&s=09

PMC83 · 18-06-2024 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275203#Comment_122275203

All three in the twilight of their careers with limited days left in the green shirt, I'd say you'd have to fight them away from the plane. Their experienced heads will be needed on this tour regardless.

Brief_Lives · 18-06-2024 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275166#Comment_122275166

No problem with Izuchukwu.

I'm just listing the team again for this page.

Forwards:
Ryan Baird (Dublin University/Leinster) 20

Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 40

Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 50

Caelan Doris (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 41

Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 76

Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 129

Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 39

Cormac Izuchukwu (Ulster/Ballynahinch)*

Oli Jager (Munster) 1

Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster) 31

Joe McCarthy (Dublin University/Leinster) 10

Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)(captain) 105

Tom O’Toole (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 13

Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 64

Cian Prendergast (UCD/Connacht) 3

James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 62

Dan Sheehan (Lansdowne/Leinster) 26

Nick Timoney (Banbridge/Ulster) 3

Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 62
Backs:
Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 56

Caolin Blade (Galwegians/Connacht) 2

Craig Casey (Shannon/Munster) 14

Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution/Munster) 14

Ciaran Frawley (UCD/Leinster) 4

Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 72

Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 32

James Lowe (Leinster) 31

Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/Ulster) 17

Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 116

Calvin Nash (Young Munster/Munster) 6

Jimmy O’Brien (Naas/Leinster) 8

Jamie Osborne (Naas/Leinster)*

Sam Prendergast (Lansdowne/Leinster)*

Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 58

Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 37

* denotes uncapped player
Unavailable: Jamison Gibson-Park (hamstring injury) and Jack Conan (personal reasons).

awec · 18-06-2024 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275224#Comment_122275224

To be totally honest, I don't think we can infer anything on Frawley based on where he's selected by Leinster.

It is clear that the Ireland coaches do not agree with the Leinster coaches, and the Ireland coaches are paying no attention to who Leinster have picked where. Ross Byrne, who Leinster select in all their big games, can't even get near a 35 man Ireland squad.

OldRio · 18-06-2024 04:07PM

Delighted with that selection. Some old guard of course and plenty of new. 2 tests against the Boks will challenge our squad depth. Then a good lay off until next season.

Podge_irl · 18-06-2024 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275224#Comment_122275224

I think that is Kinsella's breakdown, not the Irish management's.

Regardless, I'd be shocked if we see anything other than a 6-2 with Frawley covering 10. (I'll be thrilled if I'm wrong and Sam is on the bench)

thePigeon_ · 18-06-2024 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275183#Comment_122275183

I know it's not the longest period of time but HB hasn't been Leinster 2nd choice in at least 4 weeks

Former Former Former · 18-06-2024 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275183#Comment_122275183

it seems pretty clear that Frawley is ahead of H Byrne at Leinster now, and possibly Prendergast is too.

Ross Byrne being left out is a surprise, I don’t think he’s been fully fit going back to the NH game so it might be injury related, but even if it’s not it’s great to get a look at someone else.

thePigeon_ · 18-06-2024 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275263#Comment_122275263

Not surprised by the Byrne call at all to be honest. Crowley and Frawley were always likely to be the 10s in the matchday squad with a 6/2. Provided they don't get injured that won't change from game 1 to game 2. Might be viewed as harsh because he's Leinster's first choice at present but I doubt Farrell saw much value in bringing Ross along.

Pete_Cavan · 18-06-2024 04:16PM

Just wish Farrell had selected Doak instead of Murray/Blade. There's a good player in there and I think time with the national squad would help him a lot (similar to JGP), he is worth investing in. It's a position we need new blood in and he is quite suited to playing against a team like the Boks. His goal kicking could also be a useful asset to have.

Clegg · 18-06-2024 04:25PM

JGP is Ireland's most important player alongside Porter. The drop down to the next best is massive.

Murray is probably going to start, but I hope Casey is given an opportunity to impress. We need something to look at for the future.

letowski · 18-06-2024 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275303#Comment_122275303

Don't disagree, but I think Murray's performances for Munster's wins in South Africa against the Bulls and Lions recently might have had a big bearing. He was outstanding in both those games. To be honest, I'd be shocked if Murray doesn't start the first game in LV at altitude, will suit him down to the ground with his kicking game.

AbusesToilets · 18-06-2024 04:28PM

Thinking that JOB will be 14, Frawley 15, with Prendergast on the bench. Osborne well deserving his call up, been the form 12 this season. Happy for Izzy too, in great form. POM and Murray shouldn't be there at all, cut sling already. Not even top 3 in their positions

aloooof · 18-06-2024 04:50PM

Initially looks light on 2nd rows, but presumably Baird and Izuchukwu covering. Ahern will feel like it's an opportunity missed with his injury, but Izzy's been excellent in recent weeks in fairness.

Was critical of Casey at the weekend, but would love to see him get some good minutes. He's the closest analog we have to JGP, and I still maintain he has the best pass on the island.

aloooof · 18-06-2024 04:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275350#Comment_122275350

I'd be very surprised if it's not 14. Nash 15. JOB.

And on POM, you'll eventually be right. Not quite yet tho. ;)

Brief_Lives · 18-06-2024 04:58PM

As usual Tom Ahern, injured at the key moments.

Former Former Former · 18-06-2024 05:11PM

So I guess RB being omitted is the only real surprise, and maybe Loughman losing out to either Bealham or TOT as emergency LH.

After that, it’s mostly as predicted. I wouldn’t have brought Blade but I doubt he’ll see minutes on the field.

Presume Coombes will be the big talking point but slipping to the bench / finishers/bomb squad at Munster won’t have helped.

Otherwise, a good squad that shouldn’t fear SA too much.

Podge_irl · 18-06-2024 05:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275559#Comment_122275559

Well given the murmurs of TOT moving to LH I assume it is him. The more interesting question will be whether it is him or Healy on the bench (TOT bedding into LH would be bold down in SA!)

TRC10 · 18-06-2024 05:24PM

Healy, POM and Murray going on a summer tour at the beginning of a WC cycle is so Irish rugby

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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