"Green" policies are destroying this country

Industry in 'lobbying for deregulation' story

I Am Shocked

Really! Ryanair made 1.3 Billion net profit in 2023! I think they can afford to pay a fair share of the cliamte change tax burden. Any even if it adds a few euro to your tickets so what.

What proof? I have consistently posted links backing my claims unlike others. Eamon Ryan's admission of defeat (technical impossibility) off offshore for one and the 200 Billion costs for another are claims that don't have any sources here.

Press release March 2024. Does this sound like an admission of defeat from Eamon Ryan. I did quote figures that indicated costs far less than 100 Billion which you ignore or don't accept. Where is the source for that 200 billion?

Minister Ryan said:

"Ireland is already a wind energy success story. We get
35% of our electricity from onshore wind farms, which is more than
anywhere else in Europe. We’re world leaders in integrating renewables
onto our electricity grid, which often sees 75% of total electricity
demand come from wind farms. For over 20 years we have built a thriving
national onshore wind industry, but now we are looking to our seas.
Ireland has one of the best offshore wind resources in the world and we
are moving towards the delivery of offshore wind energy at a rapid pace.
More offshore wind capacity entered the planning system last year than
ever before and we have a robust, and growing, pipeline of projects in
place.

"We have already set out a clear pathway to achieving our
2030 offshore wind targets and our new Future Framework for Offshore
Renewable Energy, set to be published next month, identifies the key
actions Ireland will take to deliver 20 gigawatts of offshore wind by
2040 and at least 37 gigawatts by 2050. We have invested a lot of time
and resources in building the necessary legislative and regulatory base
to develop a sustainable industry that delivers for Ireland and Europe.
We look forward to working alongside the leading industry figures here
today at WindEurope conference as we move closer to Ireland’s future as a
global leader in renewable wind energy."

It's hot air! Glib dismissal of the Scientific consensus based on nothing.

No sources! Here is a 200 billion that is more believeable from an energy site..

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Offshore-Wind-To-See-200-Billion-Expansion-By-2025.html

In short it summarizes

'Declining costs, government incentives, and remarkable technology advances are set to boost the world’s offshore wind capacity 15-fold '

Again Where's yours?

Are you just on here because you have so much time on your hands that you thought it would be a good idea to waste others time by posting the first nonsense that enters your head and then resorting to lying when it is shown as nonsense ?

Two days ago on this thread I replied to you and posted a link (Page 1047 #31406) from BVA Associates, a U.K. company that provides strategic consultation in renewable energy, focusing on wind, that gave detailed breakdown on the cost of offshore wind capital costs. Eamon Ryan`s department have used them as consultants on this 37 GW proposal, but strangely do not appear to have asked them to price it.

Not only did you completely ignore that, now just two days later you are lying as to you not being given the source.

If you need any further proof of how expensive offshore wind farms are compared to your fantasy figure, then check out the Northland Mitsui contract that they jointly agreed last year with Taiwan to build a 1GW offshore wind farm there that Mike Crawley CEO of Northland Power estimates will cost $9.5 Billion.

When it comes to costs for offshore I would have a bit more faith in BVA Associates and Northland Power that your two sources. A randomer internet post on Quora and Meithal Na Gaoithe.

No costs breakdown for the 200Bn quoted earlier either. From what I can gather the cost per Mw currently is 1-2 million. So as a rough guide say 1.5 million per Mw. or 1.5 Billion per Gwatt. As a rough guide then 56Bn for 36GW not 200Bn. I don't know where that estimate came from.

Basically you are saying, aside from the namecalling, that the Minister and his Department know a lot less that you. I see.

I would trust his statements rather than yours, another randomer on the internat as you like to put it.

You are wrong! I see no link in that post!

'Eamon Ryan has now admitted that it is not even technically possible and will not be for the next 20 years if ever. Not difficult to see why, the U.K. had two such arrays. First one turned to mush and the
second,the Hywind array, in the North Sea is being towed lock stock and barrel to Norway this summer for "heavy maintenance" that would be unsafe to carry out in situ after just 7 years into a siupposed 27 year
lifespan and Atlantic storm waves are on average 50% higher than those of the North Sea.'

Admit you were wrong about Eamon Ryans supposed statement and about the Hywind array.

the reach of data centres into the economy is far reaching for jobs, logistics, investment, local business etc.

also, curtailing airlines to fly in / out - this is also madness. Airlines wont run at a loss, these planes dont only carry ppl. they carry cargo, imports and exports. Again, thriving industries depend on them. Why base yourself in a country that thwarts your growth ? you think investors care , big companies etc could pull the plug at will, which they can do very easily across any sector.

The Greens are like a cult, im sick of them. We do our bit, conserve water etc, recycle etc. Ireland wont save the world, we can participate to a limit, do our bit.

But if we end up on our own, we have nothing to fall back on. Try pedal a sob story to the EU when we are on our knees , see where that gets us, with our out of control national debt spending and our new responsibilities and the endless money pit we have to keep topping up.

government will only act when its too late - regardless who we vote in. i just hope it doesnt come to such a scenario. It will be barren lands from there on in, like mad max. fend for yourself.

Believe what you like. In 6 years, you'll have to face that you were lied to by someone who is driven by an agenda and has to pander to his followers, when our portfolio hasn't tripled. Or worse still, it has tripled but our electricity prices are many multiples higher than they are today because the market design does not allow for the levels of curtailment in place, but we have to pay for the unused and unwanted renewables anyway.

By all means ignore anyone from industry, especially anyone who was involved in the design of the market, wrote any of the policies, who operated the system or who connected much of the existing 5GW. They dont have a clue. Some genius in Leinster house, far from the action, that's who really has their finger on the pulse. Especially when that someone will soon be out of a job when the pragmatists take over...