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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Again you are incorrect it was already towed in January for maintenance and must be back in action now. Taken from the net today!

    Hywind Scotland is fully operational at present but tow-in operations will begin later in the year, taking advantage of the more benign weather periods in late spring and summer in the Northern Hemisphere.

    I think you should do some research yourself..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I'm not gung ho but I think investment in a renewable is wise and can we really depenf on the UK in the future? I don't think so. I am not against searching for oil or gas here. Even if it isn't for electricity or fuel it will still be needed for a long time for other production purposes i.e. fertilizer, chemical etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Fair points all. Aviation fuel is zero rated when it shouldn't be. At least food production is essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If you have a problem with it being towed to Norway for "heavy maintenance" in January rather that this Summer take it up with Equinox. It was they that changed their previously declared schedule not me.

    It doesn`t change that after one quarter of their supposed lifespan the whole array had to be towed to Norway from Hywind in Scotland and back for "heavy maintenance" or why it as "tecnically" not possible to build 25% of the turbines of that 37GW proposal for the next 20 years, if ever, in seas that have storm waves twice the height of those of the North Sea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Ground broken on Bill Gates new revolutionary natrium reactor

    Which comes with built in energy storage, ability to ramp up output quickly, literally can not meltdown with passive safety

    And can use thorium and spent uranium fuel of which we have something like 80,000 years in known reserves

    Technical details here

    https://hackaday.com/2021/07/06/terrapowers-natrium-combining-a-fast-neutron-reactor-with-built-in-grid-level-storage/


    This stored heat energy can then be used as needed to spin an electric generator, heat buildings, and so on. By decoupling the processes of generating the thermal energy and using it for generating electricity and so on, the electrical output of such a nuclear plant can be varied dynamically depending on the needs of the grid. This leads TerraPower to advertise Natrium as the ideal firm power compliment to a grid with a lot of variable renewable energy (VRE) like solar and wind.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    You were the one going on about accuracy. So i pointed out your errors.

    As for not possible where are you getting that? Where is the admission by Eamon Ryan mentioned earlier? I await your responses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    I know when you precede science with the definite article aka "the science", you are merely expressing an opinion that's based on a consensus position enforced by another group rather than actual science. You have been sold an idea by green marketing that wind and sunshine are free and unbound, details like physics and chemistry limits don't concern you, any more than sourcing materials and costs of building the infrastructure to support this.

    All economic choices come about by tradeoffs, the materials required in the timescales set down in legislation concerning net zero do not exist on the market. The current electrical grid was build over a period of 100 years, it cannot be redone in 10 years, nor can the raw materials to harvest wind or solar be processed without coal, gas and oil. By your own definition renewables technology is therefore not sustainable, aside from sourcing rare earth minerals, these cannot function independently of primary energy sources coal, gas and oil.

    Everyone born since ~1800 has been adapting to their local climate, how many generations is that? We will continue to adapt to our environment now and in the future with the available resources to us. The track record of people successfully prophesying environmental doom by specific dates has been on par with the people claiming the arrival of the second coming of God.

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    Back in the 19th century, the Thames in London stunk of sewage, they resolved that problem by building a sewerage system and extended that scheme to their port cities. The technology of the time allowed them to do so. In fact before the rise of motorised transport, everywhere stunk of horse excrement, getting rid of it was a problem. Land for feeding horses has been freed up to build houses and food for humans. Smog disappeared from many major cities due to the rise of natural gas heating. Our lives in Ireland today on practically every metric are better than our ancestors, the post world war II period has seen the world enjoy the greatest rise in living standards in the entire history of humanity.

    It's fine to pursue efficiency in use of resources (waste not, want not), don't conflate it with green marketing seeking power and money. We cannot maintain static climate patterns by simply consuming prescribed green labelled products. Climate cycles exist on timelines beyond our individual allotted lifespans on this planet, there is no climate emergency, it's just political virtue signalling.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Pedantic nonesense.

    I already told you, but it seems that while you are capable of coming up with randomer opinions from such reliable sources as Quora and Meithal Na Gaoithe you cannot find headline articles from last month on mainstream media. Go and do a bit of research and stop wasting my time with your nonesense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Rather than calling what I posted nonsense you should post your own sources. Where is Eamonn Ryan saying it's not technically possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A lot of hot air there. You choose to glibly dismiss the consensus of the Scientific community so that says enough for me and I'd say for any thinking person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    When it comes to research, if you cannot find a statement by Eamon Ryan a few weeks ago in The Irish Examiner and other mainline media sources there is nothing much I can do for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    No it appears you can't. Less of your highhandedness and more facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You won't get many facts around this thread, lots of noise and blaming the Green Party for everything from people without a clue what the policies are of any party in regards to environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Consensus is religion and politics. You are expressing your faith by invoking "the science" as cover for your lack of knowledge, the objective being to censor anyone who disagrees with your invalid apocryphal beliefs.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Hilarious from someone who relies on Quora and Meithal Na Gaoithe for their "facts".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Come off it. You have nothing to point at just more hot air. Eamon Ryan source?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Airlines participate in the ETS and I consider my flights to see family and friends as essential as the food I eat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What rate do they pay towards the ETS? If one were taken away how long would you live without A food or B friends?

    Whatever you may think, flying to see friends is not as essential as food/water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    …and the considerable airport departure taxes throughout most of europe.

    Who the hell do you think you are dictating to others what they can do with regard to living a meaningful life as opposed to a hollow existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I am calling out your hyperbole and you don't like it. Of course food is a priority not flying for fun. Such nonsense!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 kohaiu


    The same as everyone else – currently about €65 – AFAIU they don't receive any free allowances since 2023 according to

    https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-action/eu-emissions-trading-system-eu-ets/free-allocation/allocation-aviation-sector_en

    If you want them to pay more, buy and bank allowances to reduce supply in the market. (ticker CO2 on LSE)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    I like to give you a platform to expose you and yours. keep preaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    More nonsense. Have you nothing to say that makes sense or a reasonable argument?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    I am taking not one but two flights tomorrow to see friends and family and you and yours can't do a damn thing about it.

    The support for the fascist brand of environmentalism which has been advanced on this forum for years is thankfully waning and what is more the rest of us are no longer to endure it in silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Off you go nobody will stop you I'm sure but don't tell me it is as essential as food! I suggested that an increased tax on aviation fuel is fair and reasonable. If cars and trucks are taxed why should aviation be exempt?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/carbon-taxes-on-jet-fuel-will-increase-air-fares-but-cut-emissions-says-esri-1.4757029



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    No meaningful alternative to hydrocarbon powered civilian air transport but this is the one the Greens have a bee in their bonnet about. Must ban, tax, ban and tax some more with a side-order of shaming thrown in.

    I did a 900km trip yesterday in an electric car and part of it was in a country where the grid was powered mostly by nuclear. There were no CO2 emmissions from that part of the trip.

    That is an example of where behaviour can change but by God the zealots absolutely despise Nuclear. With Nuclear the Hydrogen economy needed for Hydrogen powered flight might actually be realised but the Greens despise Nuclear.

    ESRI will say anything which doesn't offend the ruling regime who funds them and Irish Times will carry any aggressive eco-sh!t as they in the Green Party's thrall.

    Tell any of those Irish overseas to their face that their trips home to see friends and family aren't essential to their welfare and await the violent response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Once again you make an argument against reality. i said that food was more essential that airline flights. An obvious fact.

    I also said that aviation should pay carbon tax and excise. Why shouldn't they?

    Here is some CSO facts you might not agree with. Are they part of a Green conspiracy too?

    • In 2020, consumers of petrol paid an average effective rate of €267 per tonne of carbon dioxide emitted. 
    • The average effective carbon rate on autodiesel was €190 per tonne of carbon dioxide in 2020.
    • Carbon dioxide emissions from jet kerosene were charged at €0.09 per tonne due to the tax exemption for commercial aviation.
    • In 2020, total energy taxes on petrol were 63 cent per litre while total energy taxes on autodiesel were 51 cent per litre. 
    • Fossil fuel subsidies were estimated at €2.2 billion in
      2020 compared with €2.8 billion in value in 2019. The decrease was
      mainly due to the reduction in the use of international aviation fuel
      during the COVID-19 pandemic.
    • Direct fossil fuel subsidies accounted for 13% of total
      fossil fuel subsidies in 2020 while indirect subsidies arising from
      revenue foregone due to tax abatements accounted for 87%.
    • In 2020, €2.8 billion was raised in energy taxes, €0.4
      billion was spent on environmental subsidies related to energy and
      emissions, and fossil fuel subsidies were €2.2 billion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Eamon seems high on gas fired power plants, can anyone more in the know assess the analysis below please?

    https://www.gem.wiki/Health_Effects_of_Gas_Plants

    • Particulate Matter (PM): Particulate matter (PM) refers to combinations of compounds that form particles of a certain size in the air. Although burning gas is not quite as “dirty” as burning coal, fine particulate matter PM2.5 (less than 2.5 microns in width) is still released into the atmosphere during the combustion process.[13] Additionally, NOx and VOCs that are emitted by gas plants can also combine with other compounds in the air to form PM2.5 and PM10. These “secondary” emissions are considerably more significant than the direct emissions, and have the greatest impact on human health.[14] Breathing in PM2.5 can cause:
      • Lung cancer[15]
      • Ischemic heart disease[15]
      • Increased susceptibility to respiratory illnesses[15]
      • Pre-term births[13]
      • Low birth weight
      • Post neonatal mortality.[13]
      • Children and the elderly are also more susceptible to the asthma and bronchitis.[13]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    @saabsaab As I have already pointed out Aviation sector is paying other taxes. You know this but you want them to pay more. You are mendacious.

    If you think that cutting yourself off from friends and family is do-able then I challenge you to do it for two years and then tell us how you feel. that might help you to ground yourself and find the empathy that is obviously lacking from your contributions to this topic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    In reality they are paying far too little and you know that. Did I say anything about cutting yourself off for 2 years? Now you are being mendacious. I did say that aviation should pay carbon taxes and excise like every other sector simple.



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