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Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There is no "cushy number" on the board of a charity.

    Board members of a charity cannot be paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    No, the professionals that run the company and work for the company are paid by the company the same as every other private company.

    The vast majority of charities don’t get government monies and most don’t seek donations. Your view of what a charity is is focussed narrowly on the type seeking donations and using government money to provide services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,275 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    After watching last nights Prime Time episode investigating charities in Ireland I will not donate a single cent of my money to any charity in this country until someone is sentenced to prison for at least a year based on what was exposed. Peter McVerry Trust was always touted as a great charity doing great work, probably the best that in that your money would be going direct to the right causes, the complete opposite is the case, McVerry should step down and disassociate himself from this joke of an organisation.

    There's so many existing regulations in this country for white collar crime, fraud and money laundering that people need to be behind bars after what was exposed. Then you have the handling of those exposing the fraud thrown to the ditch by the authorities they are to report governance issues to, such an absolute corrupt country we are living in, an unpoliced joke.

    Transactions to Bet 365 from Cat Haven charity, did he have any big winners to treat his kittens to, lol. Hopefully the entire charity industry in the country completely collapses after seeing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Exactly.

    I'm involved in a charity in the arts sector. Like the poster said, we are really not-for-profit, not charity.

    No donations. No grants. No one's pockets lined. Our members subscriptions pay the costs of an artistic director and one or two others. All are part time freelancers. A few members, myself included, volunteer to be on a committee that co-ordinates events, manages finances etc. We do it 'cos we find the core activity to be good recreation, and we need an organisation to facilitate it.

    We probably don't meet all the Charities Regulators rules, either. It's madness expecting the same standards from us, as from the likes of PMVCT, which is run by full time professional administrators, and has full time employees, government grants and fundraising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    Feel the same way, though there are local charities where members dont make money, for the most part its a huge scam, people making a living out of the charity they founded. Disgraceful that its not policed better and that the fines\deterrents aren't much bigger. Hopefully all of the big ones will collapse in the next few years.

    Post edited by CorkFenian on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have been criticising PMVT for a long time, they are not the only ones.

    Haven't given any money to charities for over a decade now, but have volunteered hundreds of hours during that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You are right that there are good local charities which are worth supporting.

    However many of the bigger charities are providing essential services to people who depend on them.

    I'd prefer to see them brought into line by a stronger oversight system than to allow them to collapse and leave those who need them to suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    I'd be slow to support any charity to be honest.

    I left the animal welfare charity I worked in for many years due to disgusting governance issues and bullying and in my experience most of them are the same way. Intimidation is rife within charities towards anyone who raises issues. Too many people lining their pockets with no regard for what the charity is meant to achieve.

    I was preparing to go to the regulator but after watching this programme is there any point in becoming a whistleblower or will it just cause personal hardship with no results?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    I believe if they collapse like Console , it may force government to bring them into government departments. Otherwise all of this will just happen again on repeat, I do accept your point though, I don't want anyone to lose valuable services. Maybe a bit of short term pain (and I don't say that lightly) for long term gain :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'd still prefer not to see vulnerable people suffering.

    Structured reform is needed with replacement by public services where it is necessary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Look at the development of charities and you see a pattern: Steps to a fortune are

    1. a person with empathy sees a local problem and sets about helping out of the goodness of their heart
    2. they rope in a few other people on a voluntary basis to provide what is a useful service
    3. they apply for funding from local authority etc to help cover out of pocket costs
    4. after a few years, they apply for funding for an office/ office worker to help organise the volunteers
    5. they apply for more money each year and expand staff to include a campaign fundraiser and lobbyist
    6. they establish their brand and even though still largely voluntary, start to make their service indispensable
    7. once established as indispensable, they move away from the voluntary model and become fully professional
    8. they continue to expand, increasing their funding requests year on year.
    9. the work is important, but equally now are the pay & conditions, pension arrangements of the growing staff
    10. the needs of the staff become paramount if funding is threatened.
    11. it becomes an empire building exercise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    100% it needs to be reined in ASAP Fantastic post and summary hopefully a journalist will print it needs to be seen by many people :)

    I have a feeling most journalists in Ireland will just play the game unfortunately and not run with it

    Post edited by CorkFenian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭blackbox


    No charity should be allowed to go beyond step 2.

    After that it is a business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭JVince


    "Charity" needs to be reclassified.

    Schools and colleges are mostly "charities"

    Churches are "charities"

    Almost half of registered charities have an income of less than 100,000.

    At the same time Concern , Goal, Trocaire, PeterMcVerry trust and other very very large organisations are "charities" and a scandal in a large organisational charity can have an affect on the small localised charity.

    Ideally there should be a "Micro-charity" status where no salary or wage is provided to any staff member or where there is a financial limit of paid employment, eg. €5,000 and income is less than €100,000. Limited but still regulated financial reporting required by a registered accountant.

    Then have a standard charity status for the large but not excessively large charities. Maybe €2m average annual income (5 year average to allow for one off large bequests) and providing a full independent financial audit every 5 years. Regular accounts in-between)

    and then for the super "charities", call them "not-for-profit" organisations. Let them bring in good staff, but like what the government did for banks have limits on pay and bonuses and may other regulations.

    But putting everyone from the €10k a year to €100m a year "charity" under the one name is simply not right in this day & age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0611/1454193-mcverry-contract-tender/

    A transport company owned by a couple who are tenants of the Peter McVerry Trust was given a €200,000 bus contract by the housing charity without a tender process, Prime Time has learned.

    One of the tenants, Alan Bollard, who operates the bus company, later went on to work as head of logistics at the McVerry Trust. 

    However, public records show that in late 2016, Mr Bollard sold a home he had purchased around the peak of the property bubble, ten years earlier. Around the time of that sale, he moved into a house that was purchased by the McVerry Trust.

    An internal Peter McVerry Trust document seen by Prime Time says that the "property was bought using PMVT's charitable funds and the tenants given a 25-year lease at 80% market rate."

    but for several years, he was simultaneously a tenant, employee and contractor for the McVerry Trust.

    I'd love to hear from the poster who used to attack anybody who dared question McVerry, I wonder if he was on the take as much as everybody else appears to have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    A big tender, a home and a job all gifted to a mate of the CEO. The charities regulator has to step in and shut it down now. Clear corruption going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Gifted a house in Cellbridge where Father Pat also lives and mates as well, always said there was money to made out of religion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭sheepondrugs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It gets worse, it seems. Huge questions for the Board. And I see Carr Communications with a big contract to keep everything hidden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Correspondence with the Regulator, which must be driven by compliance and adherence with the various codes of practice, was to be run past Carr Communications first. Running regulatory correspondence past your legal advisors is common so as to ensure that you are legally correct in what you are saying, however the Board of the PMVT seem to think that having their spin doctors review correspondence with the Regulator was more important. It really shows where their priorities were.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,996 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    On your first point, in areas like disability, serious illness or mental health, it tends to be more so a parent or family has experienced a loss. Or they've had a terrible experience of a public HSE service or in fact, have had no specialist service at all and they understandably don't want others to go through the same thing. They might band together with other parents and families and sometimes end up speaking before an Oireachtas committee, which isn't a bad thing. For what you're thinking of, many do have service level agreements with the HSE. If our health system worked for the people who need it, the charity sector wouldn't be filling as many gaps as it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    This is what happens when the government outsource the provision of social and affordable housing to private entities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Carr Communication you say.

    Look behind that.

    Bunny Carr accused of fraud from charity.

    Anything the others involved in should be suspect yet on RTE all the time even after defending the nuns and dead babies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just a couple of clarifications.

    Bunny Carr was never accused of "fraud from a charity".

    The incident you refer to occurred in the 1980s and was dismissed at the time as an unsubstantiated rumour.

    Carr Communications had no role in the Tuam Babies controversy.

    The company involved was The Communications Clinic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Was that not just a rebranding of Carr Communications?

    Now the

    As I think of it, did Trocaire share office space with Carr Communications on Booterswoen Avenue? At junction with Stillorgan Road where the apartments are now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Remind us what happens shen they don't outsource it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Well, up until FG were in government the government provided it themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No, they are two separate companies.

    Trocaire was not the organisation named in the lies spread about Bunny Carr.



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