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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes they have lost Qtr

    If it is so meaningless then why are SA out in the media trying to use them to get an advantage over Ireland, the interviews been done at the moment are not by chance

    Also the stadiums sold out in what I believe was record time or close to record time as the public want to see these games

    SA want to win them, of course if they lose then it will be meaningless games, if they win then SA will certainly be very triumphant

    The big question wil be if Ireland win the first game, expect a similar break down from Rassie as we seen in the Lions tour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    As an outsider looking in (to SA) I'd love to be able to say we're double RWC Champions and to be honest, I couldn't give a fiddlers what other countries/fans would think of us. When we're not winning RWCs then we can concentrate on 6Ns again.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bizarrely it seems they really, really, really care what others think about them! To the point of imaginary slight, it's all very odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    And a few fans here seems to care that they care.

    Crazy, isn't it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I care that they are running to the press making **** up to generate ill will towards Ireland yes. It is pathetic and should be beneath them as World Champions but apparently they are incapable of simply enjoying that and need to craft bullshit narratives instead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I dont see anyone caring about the Boks, they have the WC and should have the higher ground

    Yet they are the ones running to the press etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I admire the Boks for winning back to back RWCs, I couldn't give a fiddlers what they're saying to the press. The press like it because of clicks but who takes it seriously.

    Is Farrell quaking in his boots, though again, reading here and how conservative some are about bringing all our usuals in our touring squad I do think that we want to beat the World Champions just to say we beat them.

    I'd sooner we win a RWC QF but I suppose it's not necessarily one or the other but we've beaten SA , NZ, Australia and all the 6Ns teams but we can't get the RWC monkey off our back.

    Actually, can someone tell me what I'm (an Irishman) supposed to be outraged at, what have SA done now.

    I mean we have a poster here telling anyone who disagrees with him that they hate Farrell and Ireland and that's seen as acceptable but SA are monsters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    The SA rivalry is spicy partly because many of their players come up against our lads in the league, and are often on the wrong end of it, and because we have an excellent record against them, including the WC group match last year. It a bit similar to the ABs who we have parity with at least most of the time these days. Say what you like about the 6N but those two teams are the two powerhouses of the global game and they both have an intense need to be seen to dominate us. Take it as a compliment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Other than it being nice to beat SA (or any other team for that matter) in a pool or friendly game, it's irrelevant, Ireland need to win their QF in the RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah, this is exactly it.

    Like, a two-test series between the first and second ranked teams, your first games on home turf as RWC champions, against the last team to beat you… isn't that enough motivation? It shouldn't need all this background noise and weird paranoia, but this seems to be the only way Erasmus can function.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, agreed. We've come a long way but until we can really compete for the WC we're still also rans.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    You can't really have it both ways. If Ireland win it's against a team that's inconsistent between World Cups. Nothing to brag about. If SA win, what does it prove? It'll probably be 1-1 anyway.

    The 6N is great but it's the Commonwealth games of rugby when SA are winning the Olympics.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I doubt they're 'running to the press'. They're being interviewed and making very slightly controversial comments which are mostly taken out of context by pearl clutchers weaned on the utter dross most pro rugby players spout when they've a mic in front of them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If Ireland win it's against a team that's inconsistent between World Cups

    I'm fine with this. I'm not having it both ways at all.

    The 6N is also not the commonwealth games of rugby, that's just a ludicrous comparison.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Take out the top teams and have the next best play themselves and celebrate being champions. Same difference.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jesus lads, why do we even bother watching the sport for 3 and a half years between these world cups?



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    I do think wed be less consistent in between world cups also generally of we had to play nz even if weve gone well against them recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Because we can moan about how poor the RWC Champions are and how brilliant we are.

    Like the summer tour is being built up as the 1st and 2nd ranked teams, yet, we've never, ever, got past the RWC QFs. Teams with lower rankings than us have made and won QFs, SFs, and finals

    Rankings are great for what they're used for, rankings in the RWC competition but outside of that, they're utterly useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,232 ✭✭✭✭phog


    From The Examiner

    David Humphreys talks about an over reliance on Private Schools and the possibility of identifying talent in other sports that could be used as a pathway for developing players for our teams.

    It will be interesting to see more details on what he's hoping to achieve.

    His successor, the former Ulster and Ireland fly-half who joined the IRFU three months ago from his role as director of performance operations at the England And Wales Cricket Board, wants to move away from what he sees as an over-reliance on Irish private schools supplying the bulk of rugby talent to the professional game.

    In order to give Ireland coaches the best possible opportunity to field the strongest teams possible, Humphreys is seeking to improve a pathway system that identifies athletes in other codes now that the concept of project players from overseas becoming Irish Qualified (IQ) has effectively run dry through changes in World Rugby’s residency criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Meh.

    Far easier said than done.

    Post edited by Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'Commonwealth Games'? Have a serious word with yourself.

    'Friendlies'? What?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,821 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    https://x.com/SSRugby/status/1801177693909578054?t=EIQiKogC7rZkQLmppkd8uw&s=19

    I saw the full interview somewhere, i'll try and find it and put it up here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Humps is correct.

    Overdependance on private schools is not the problem, it's the lack of other sources that limits the growth of playing numbers generally. The professional game here, with 4 clubs, may be able to survive with players from traditional routes but the game generally will never expand beyond it's narrow base until it attracts players who currently choose other codes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Interesting shot across the bows.

    "Where you have a player who we believe could be performing out here [for Ireland], sitting in third, fourth or fifth in the province and not getting the game-time that they need to develop, that’s sending a strong message about that player’s ambition to Andy Farrell. We want players who are competitive, who are going to give it everything they have to play for Ireland. If they choose not to do that for whatever reason, so be it.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Ooof, spicy.

    I'd love to know if he's got someone specific in mind there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Nucifora said similar recently.

    I'm sure the IRFU have tried to use that line many times with Leinster players and not to much effect.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,836 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    its a very fair point.

    However, with Deegan being the obvious example (behind conan and doris at 8 for Leinster) Farrell has STILL gone on to cap players who have been seen as 3rd choice for their province, ahead of other players who were closer to starting for their province.

    maybe theres a sea change coming, im not sure though.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The problem is that Nucifora/Humphreys don't select the Irish squad so realistically what can they actually do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It's hard to see how this is Humphreys' call though? In a million years, he's not going to forbid Farrell from picking players who haven't agreed to switch provinces.

    Deegan always gets cited here but he got 20 minutes off the bench against Fiji in 2022 and I don't think he's been in so much as a training squad since then. So maybe he is in fact evidence that Farrell doesn't want to pick guys who aren't playing regularly. Like, he capped provincial third-choice Crowley in the same game, and look at how that went.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    People keep claiming Crowley was provincial 3rd choice when the reality is we can't know for sure because of 1) the new coaching ticket 2) the EI tour and 3) injuries.



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