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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    THis thread title hadn't aged well.

    I know it's only the local council elections, but it doesn't bode well for SF.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mary Lou needs to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Maryanne 841


    Da peeple hav spoken, Joe. Listen to dem.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,557 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    And she would be right there. All the gombeens falling hook line and sinker for sound bites from the play book of the ultra nationalist groups from the UK funding the far right 'nationalists'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    No, you are correct.

    They were, ahem, 'anointed'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Can someone tell me what MLMD said please? I'm not near a TV and I don't see anything online yet. Something about the electorate mistaking SF for the Government and thus giving SF a kicking. Is that right or have I got it wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,222 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    nothing snide about it. I don’t think she meant voters but the commentariat who speak more about SF and their immigration policy than the actual policy makers who created the mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Isn't that statement by her:

    1. Silly
    2. Wrong, and
    3. Insulting

    I get she's probably tired, emotional and upset but that's all the more reason not to be making off the cuff statements.

    Falling back on 'the people have spoken, the bastards' would at least have showed a sense of humour. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Your point of view is reflective of the rameis that has SF getting a third of what it was polling last year.

    Like the fellow on about the Govt Dog whistling, and far right this and that.

    Stop digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Looking at the percentages FG and FF are ne k and neck at 22.9% each. If that was replicated in a GE they would be with striking of an overall majority because of the dispirited opposition. 20% Ind 11% SF and the rest are allat or below 5%.

    46% could give you an overall majority in that case. If the SD and Labour combined they could overtake SF in the election after next.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,222 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look I get the pile on on SF but I don’t think she was talking about the electorate. She said it at lunchtime and I am seeing nobody ourside of this place take issue with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No. That Mary Lou interview has no relevance and is already forgotten.

    SF need to look at their own mistakes in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Back to the thread title, I don't think they'll have to worry about that. They've collapsed and I don't see it getting better for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They have long done better in locals than general elections. Incumbency making such a difference.

    That said they also now heavily transfer to each other and should feel confident about an election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭rdwight


    That's how I heard it too. He took a different approach this morning when he, and I think I've got this right, was essentially claiming g that the 2020 benchmark SF vote was so high because the people who voted SF then really didn't understand what the party stood for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Been a disaster for them.

    The one takeaway from these results for me is that social media is NOT a reliable indicator of the opinion of the population.

    We have been hearing non stop about how FFG have failed miserably in housing, immigration, health, crime etc and that their days were numbered. SF at >30% in opinion polls.

    Yet they fly through the local elections. It appears that the majority of voters think they are doing a grand job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Agreed, seems to be a lot of salty SF supporters online in their own little echo chambers bitching about everything from turnout to various strands of ageism for their failure.
    They seem to have no comprehension that (as it currently stands), 88.13% of voters aren't buying what they're selling.

    bUt ChAnGe. or something right? 🙄



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Time for Mary Lou to go. Also time for Eoin O’Broin to go or, if he stays, they have to reel him in and emphasise that he has to actually make sense when he talks about housing.

    I’m surprised they slumped so badly. I expected them to be down but this result is a huge disaster for them. It also says that the majority of the electorate know they issues like housing and emigration won’t be solved overnight whoever is in government. They can see things starting to improve somewhat under the current coalition but then SF can’t back up their €300,000 home policy and O’Broin intent on creating second class property that punters still have to pay to buy, it makes sense. All O’Broin has come up with is something similar to the system in the UK where people only own the 4 walls of their property, but not the site. Ironic for a party who won’t sit in Westminster.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    There is nothing new in this beyond it being a little bit more blunt that usual. Usually it goes along the lines that if the voters were better informed, they'd have voted a different way. The reality of course is that they have underestimated the sophistication of the voters and got hammered for doing so. Irish voters are used to considering complex issues from different perspectives and you need to address multiple issues if you are going to win over large blocks of Irish voters.

    The political IQ of SF is not much higher than the DUP so it would not surprise me at all if they lost any border poll held through a lack of understanding of voters concerns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    If SF are going to remain a centre-left/far-left party, they will never the main party in a government. Ireland is a very centrist country, quite conservative in ways.

    The flip flopping from SF has hurt them.

    The young progressives dont know what they stand for anymore and have become bored by them.

    The working class nationalist types have gone to the right and independent. They won't be winning them back at all.

    Labour appears to have woken up.

    The Greens are holding their own.

    So the question is, where are they going to get these votes from if they want to be the biggest party in the next government?

    The idea was that SF was going to eat up all smaller left wing parties, but it appears many of them are holding their own.

    TLDR

    There are not enough voters in Ireland to elect a left-only government without FF or FG. The people are soverign are they not?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I would have to disagree with you on comparing SF to the DUP.

    Politically SF have played the game fantastically over the last few decades. They seen the long game, and knew the military campaign was never going to work and adjusted accordingly.

    I just think that they reached their peak in the Republic and they had the potential to become the largest party, but this seems to have nosedived for whatever reasons. Mainly just that too many voters are lifelong FG or FF and will never change, no matter how bad their own party does. Plus there is a huge number who will NEVER vote for SF.

    This might change as younger voters come through, but SF has to plan now to appeal to the voters of the future, offer them a genuine alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think there were plenty salivating about SF turning more right but they didn't and have been proved correct on that one.

    Eh, but they have.

    They have talked about 'Open Borders', a far-right dog whistle.

    They have flip flopped completely on the Hate Speech bill.

    They want to kick a load of Ukrainians out of the country.

    The fact is, SF have moved to the right. (FG has aswell by the way)



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Tgey have a huge reconstruction to do if they want to speak to voters long term. At heart SF are a single issue party. Take away the unification mandate and what exactly do they stand for? Do they even know I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    This…

    I couldnt believe that she was more or less calling the electorate 'stupid'.

    MLMD is now the gift that keeps on giving for FF and FG.

    The boys in West Belfast will have to take her out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Too many Yes-men in SF. When it comes to times like these it comes back to bite them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    She'll not be answering any calls from +44 numbers this week

    Why Did Tommy DeVito Get Whacked in 'Goodfellas'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The issue is exemplified by the resident SF spokesperson who will take in code and never ever criticise MLMD here.

    This, "we know better, you are wrong and stupid" attitude is one of the reasons why SF are suffering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A prediction I made over the last couple of years was an impact in this election. FF and FG transfered strongly between themselves and it would have a significant impact in a GE

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    MLMD’s comment that SF did badly because some of the electorate thought they were in government and punished them for it is bizarre. I mean, really strange! For a woman who made sure she got time on every news bulletin bellowing across the floor of the Dail lambasting the government on this and that. Sadly for her, this is what people will remember now.

    I can definitely see a version of that Goodfellas scene where Joe Pesci’s character is invited to a ceremony to become a made man only to be quickly and unceremoniously whacked happening with Mary Lou before long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭O'Neill




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