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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    sure ya were . back in the good old days when they were bombing maternity hospitals and polling 2 or 3 percent in the south and 9 or 10 in the north ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭limnam


    People are buying them.

    People can afford them.

    That's what "sets" the price.

    For someone who wants to reduce peoples income tax which will lead to people been able to afford even higher prices. You seem to be very confused.

    But no. Not everyone should "expect" to be able to purchase a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The current amount of new houses for sale are being bought, yes.

    The small amount of buyers can afford them, yes.

    FTBs are buying 5,400 approx new houses per year.

    See here:

    https://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/2024/05/annual-volume-of-market-purchases-by.html

    This shows that the majority of new builds are not sold to FTBs.

    But there is loads, loads of latent demand, people living at home with parents, who want to buy.

    They are trapped renting, as there aren't enough houses for sale, at affordable prices.

    Every politician agrees with this, and they all agree that we need more supply.

    Many estimates suggest we need 50k-55k per annum.

    The Housing Commission says the deficit of houses is 256,000:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0521/1450488-opposition-housing/

    It looks like, thankfully, the Govt will increase the targeted new build from 33k to over 52-55k

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0604/1452973-housing-targets/

    It will be good to see 55k new build each year, rather than 33k, that should help to cool prices.

    My question is: how do we organise the inputs of land+labour+finance to move from 33k to 52k pa?

    As this is a SF thread, to be fair to them, even though I am not a supporter, I agree with their proposals to abolish the two schemes that add to demand: Help-to-Buy scheme and First Home schemes.

    SF also want to increase stamp duty on commercial property, to divert labour+capital to residential construction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭limnam


    FTB's have increased every year since the "recovery" started in 2011.

    FTB's account for 60% of mortgages in Ireland.

    There's a bit of a myth that it's all bought up buy pension and vulture funds. When they only account for 11-12%

    Your ideas are like most governments. Not much thought gone into them.

    Find 35k construction workers who could earn up to a grand a day who are sitting on the dole and get them to work for cheap?

    You couldn't make this sort of stuff up like. If a politician said that people would be calling for his seat.

    SF and others have stated they can build houses for X. Every time they're asked how. No answers.

    Because the truth of the matter is it's really difficult.

    If you had have called for a return of chain gangs it would be more credible than what you're suggesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, it is difficult, but we must keep trying to reduce costs and boost supply.

    FTB are buying 17,500 houses last year, of which 5,400 are new houses:

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    Here are the construction workers on the LR:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭limnam


    So how do you get construction workers in a booming construction economy who can earn massive amount of money off the dole to work for less than they could make currently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Limit the duration of JSA to 6 months or a year max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I am referring to JSA, also known as dole, not to JSB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Defeatist attitude? You mean using logic to understand what you are trying to say?

    You might want to read a book on economics to really grasp what you are saying here.

    Do you have proof that there are 35,000 on the live register that can work in construction. Proof, please.

    So what if there are idle sites? Do you know who might own them? Would the state make them sell if they didn't want to?

    You want to tax certain works less, what about others that are working but not in construction? That sounds totally doable…yup, nothing wrong with that one at all.

    Again, you say the state has to get involved more. How? Put pen to paper with actionable means, you are just waffling now with no substance at all.

    The market is impacted by a multitude of things, not just the amount of houses. The number of people that are in the country and are continuing to arrive has increased, you are aware of that, right?

    We need lower costs and finance…again, how? The government or the state don't have the means to just set the prices for things, especially if they are buying from private companies.

    Pie in the sky suggestions here. You are not applying any real logic or working ideas to what you are even trying to suggest. And you say you aren't a SF supporter…give it over.



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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was working during the interview so didn’t get the full jist of what Mary Lou was saying to Matt Cooper yesterday, but she was sinking, badly. She was saying the State should build the affordable houses that would sell for 300k in Dublin. When Matt asked where the money would come from as the State could not afford to build those houses in the volume required, she said foreign investors may provide finance. Matt was incredulous, he asked her if she was in favour of foreign, institutional investors profiting from affordable housing given SFs opposition currently to foreign investors profiting from property here, no she said, pension funds should be asked to invest, Matt pointed out that the institutional investors currently buying up properties include pension fund investors. She stuttered a bit, then tried to change the subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,157 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,028 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    McDonald is usually a pro when it comes to debates, last time she was that rattled was when Mark Carruthers interviewed her but that didn't surprise me because you enter the lions den when that man is on the other side of the table.

    Cooper isn't half the interviewer Carruthers is and he still managed to get her all flustered, she seems to be a woman under pressure these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    What are you going to pay the 35k workers off the live register that don’t want to work, they have it too handy, what materials are you going to use to build these houses in the present day market, concrete is an example the way the price has increased and how much concrete is used in building. Are the houses going to up to standard or are they going to be modular or Lego or garden timber sheds wake houses are a life time job not a quick fix. Mary has no clue and can’t back it up with proper figures that will stand up. Wake up the shinners have no proper policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    is anyone else getting Sinn Fein propaganda ads on YouTube lately ?

    1 is mary Lou out for a power walk on a beach somewhere.

    Another is pearse Doherty lecturing us that now is the time to vote for change.

    I never asked nor do I want these ads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,227 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You do know how advertising works, right? You don't get to ask for any of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It's how advertisement works, they will buy space from YouTube and give a list of people they want to advertise to

    YouTube will then target you

    I wonder how Sinn Fein are funding :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,727 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No, that's the one you have to make contributions for. JSB.
    JSA is the non contributory one. Bizarrely in this country if you make contributions you're limited to 9 months but if you never worked a day in your life there's no limit.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol.

    My free YouTube is showing advertising I don't like. Jesus wept.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TBF, I’ve just seen that Mary Lou beach ad, it put me right off my lunch, I’m not happy with the internet after seeing it either, but I’m glad she wasn’t in her bathers, I’d scratch my eyes out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I’d love to know why they think sending me ads is a good idea, I vote right of centre.

    Never I was nor never I will be a SF voter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Do you think they are sending you ads personally? Like, directly to you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Naw bro, just ignore and thumbs down.

    Hopefully they get the message.

    just shows though, SF are spaffing money against the wall in desperation at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,227 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They are targeting (not sending) a demographic you are in. The are not sending you anything directly.

    Maybe other people in your demographic aren't anywhere near as right wing as you are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You must be really important for a personalised ad to be sent directly to you. Or, and hear me out, it is a campaign based on a clever algorithm…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Im convinced they dont want power yet for some reason.

    How could ya fook up so bad.

    They had it all and let it slip through their fingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They have been doing that for years, between all the money pushed into the dodgy online accounts for years in Eastern Europe, the number of pirate flags disappearing over night when Ukraine got attacked was interesting

    To the amount of money pushed into their online supporters to go around abusing everyone and anyone online

    Then you look at the amount of videos etc been pushed across all social media

    They have been spending huge quantities of money for years, none of it on telling everyone about their fantastic policies, nah just the sort of noise and nonsense you see if you live in the US

    Then who can forget all of the flights and gala dinners SF run overseas to tell everyone how great they are and that everyone in Ireland is living in squalor and its all FF/FG fault :-)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



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