Israel/Palestine Thread

Thought I had sorry.

In essence I just meant to agree with you (if you were the OP and I think you were) in that its obviously stupid to say all men = hamas. I was just adding its equally daft to go with an assumption that all women =/= hamas.

The vast majority in Hamas would be males with a small minority female. I was just positing that the innocent males killed would probably balance roughly with the amount of guilty females.

Don't use childish language. I do see that although biden did disparage the icc prosecutors decision he is not going after him. Grateful for small mercies. I was wrong.

Perhaps now you can explain how you are against the assault on Gaza but support the president that continues to support it

I think biden is afraid to completely stop supplying weapons and bombs to israel as it could lose him the support of jews in america in terms of the presidential election election .theres a small gap in the polls between trump and biden .

if every jew in america did not vote for biden it could be enough to swing the election for trump.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/10/pause-us-joins-other-states-stopping-arms-transfers-israel

this is not a complete withdrawal of us military support for israel.

this is a good article ,it explains that civilians have no idea where to go there is no place that is gauranteed to be safe from bombing or being shot Its a matter of random luck if civilans survive being bombed or attacked by tanks

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/29/rafah-safe-area-humanitarian-zone-palestinians-israel

there is no gauranteed safe space in gaza for civilians

Except not 'every jew in America' would vote against him, with many Jewish Americans opposing Israel's activities, including particularly of late land sales being hosted in New York for illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian land. The reality is though, aside from giving Republicans something to campaign on, it would also be calamitous to Ukraine: Ukraine Aid was only conditioned on Israeli aid, if Biden did a rug pull on the aid, with a split Congress Ukraine will almost certainly see not another penny of congressional aid over the next 4 years, and the Ukraine war is not projected in any way to be over in the next 4 years (unless the US pulls its support, such as under another Trump administration who has already promised to effectively disband NATO, or if powers like the US lack the votes in Congress to fund it further). Frankly the situation only gets truly bettered if Republicans lose seats in Congress and cannot block the Democrats agenda which would include continued funding for Ukraine among other things. Nothing passes in the current Congress without de minimus bipartisan support - Republicans run the House by the slimmest of majorities, and Democrats run the Senate by an even slimmer majority than that.

Biden is absolutely a Zionist, but painting him as "genocide Joe" or distorting his previous statements about what his red line is, is unconstructive and inaccurate on both counts. In addition to a zionist he also supports a 2 state solution, unlike many other zionists around.

Does Biden not have the power as president to veto any arms shipment to Israel via an executive order?

not really how vetoes work and an EO would quickly get smacked down by lawsuit (see: captured Supreme Court) since Congress appropriated the aid that he signed into law as part of the Ukraine deal. Shenanigans that accomplish nothing but a momentary delay and only torpedo hopes that Congress can pass future aid for Ukraine past 2024 (given the president/democrats made the deal to tie it with Israeli aid and then do a rugpull)

Defending yourself bad.

Massacring women and children good.

Got it.

Why is he a disgrace? That's actually the most reasonable and decent thing I've ever heard him say..

Although I'd like to see Biden win over Trump, I don't think he will now - he's fracturing his vote. That is assuming Trump sidesteps/ exploits his current court case rows and gets his campaign in full swing. You can be quite sure that Trump will be selling MAGA big time and laying into Biden for being too involved in foreign policy etc. Ultimately Putin is not stupid and his divide & conquer tactics are working out for him.

Heard an interesting discussion from human rights lawyers that said the ICJ has already ruled that Israel can not engage in self defence in the west bank i.e. outside of their borders. Although has not been specifically stated yet this also extends to the Gaza strip so the claims of defence are illegitimate.