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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I’m not reposting it when copying and pasting into your own address bar is all you need to do.

    I don’t know why you mention the time that I was on this thread at when you were posting at the exact time too. I would love to have uninterrupted sleeps but with 2 elderly and very high dependency parents in the house, it’s not always possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭star61


    Maybe i'm wrong but i dont think most new to the country would like to be defined as Irish. They want to live in Ireland and would like Irish citizenship but they are for the most part very proud of their own nationality and culture.

    Maybe we should be proud of our nationality & culture instead of arguing over how to define being Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,716 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Over 15 years, just over 1500 sex offenders were born outside Sweden. Not sure what anyone thinks that proves other then what is written there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Ionraice


    Hmm.

    I'm inclined to wonder whether the threat of being charged with fraud might be a deterrent for some of them.

    From statutebook.ie

    Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001

    Concealing facts disclosed by documents.

    51.—(1) Any person who—

    (a) knows or suspects that an investigation by the Garda Síochána into an offence under this Act is being or is likely to be carried out, and

    (b) falsifies, conceals, destroys or otherwise disposes of a document or record which he or she knows or suspects is or would be relevant to the investigation or causes or permits its falsification, concealment, destruction or disposal,

    is guilty of an offence.

    (2) Where a person—

    (a) falsifies, conceals, destroys or otherwise disposes of a document, or

    (b) causes or permits its falsification, concealment, destruction or disposal,

    in such circumstances that it is reasonable to conclude that the person knew or suspected—

    (i) that an investigation by the Garda Síochána into an offence under this Act was being or was likely to be carried out, and

    (ii) that the document was or would be relevant to the investigation,

    he or she shall be taken for the purposes of this section to have so known or suspected, unless the court or the jury, as the case may be, is satisfied having regard to all the evidence that there is a reasonable doubt as to whether he or she so knew or suspected.

    (3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or both.

    Definition of fraud from lawreform.ie:

    Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act 2001

    Making gain or causing loss by deception.

    6.—(1) A person who dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another, by any deception induces another to do or refrain from doing an act is guilty of an offence.

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or both.

    So, it seems there is no question that fraud is being carried out on a grand scale by too many of these bogus asylum seekers.

    It's long past time we ramped up Garda investigations into the fraudsters - and indeed, their advisers, be they other immigrants, smugglers, or possibly some people working in NGOs.

    I'd imagine a few high profile cases could prove to be a pretty effective deterrent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,269 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Great post. This is why I'm repeatedly astonished at the protests and disruption in favour of Palestine here in Ireland week after week.

    A little reading of history would be very illuminating to these people.

    Actually, I take it back - it's no surprise at all. Not in an era of Twitter soundbites, a fortune to be made from "charity", and politicians like Micheal Martin acting as if this conflict was the most important thing facing our country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,158 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yep theres valid reasons none of their neighbours want them. Yet we are making eejits of ourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,716 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Making snarky remarks about a time that someone posts is such a cheap shot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,532 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Thanks, not sure why you couldn't post the name first time around. I wanted to see how a hotel is allowed only provide 10% capacity. And why it didn't choose 100% migrants. I'll do some research.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Especially when they're posting at same time lol. Irony lost on some



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    How many Palestinian families are you taking in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    "repeatedly astonished at the protests and disruption in favour of Palestine here in Ireland week after week"

    Might have something to do with them having many decades under apartheid occupation being murdered wholesale via a coalition of supposed good guy countries supplying money, support, disinformation and arms to bomb innocent men women and kids.

    Yea it's probably that cos that's a bit bold ya kno:)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    The same countries who are air dropping supplies and building piers to bring in billions in aid and trying to reign in the Israeli over reaction?

    While the Arabs/Muslim neighbours shrug and either close borders, send nothing or actively pour oil and missiles into the smouldering dumpster fire?

    The surprised and shocked picachu faces on the far left in Ireland when dozens of thousands from this region endup here looking for freebies is going to be epic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    "Sick of people here having a go at others because of ethnicity or religion. Ireland has changed over the centuries, anglo Saxons, Norman's and Vikings. The rate of change is massively higher now but does not mean the new Irish citizens are not Irish .."

    But thats just what the Palestinian refugees did. They had a go at King Hussein of Jordan and his people, after accepting their generous offer of refuge when they found themselves homeless, stateless in 1967. They tried to kill him and take over his country.

    They should not have accepted his generosity if they were, as you say, "against him". Also, lets remember it was fellow muslims they attacked in Jordan in Black September. 1000's were needlessly killed.

    They then accepted Lebanese hospitality and while there, they had a go at the Lebanese Christians. Lebanon was a peaceful country with Druze, Christians etc living contentedly side by side until the Palestinians were welcomed in as refugees

    150,000 people were killed in that 15 year civil war and 1000,000 Christians forced to flee.

    The Palestinians dont do gratitude very well, do they ?

    So when Palestinian refugees come to Ireland, will they have a go at us too ?

    We are predominantly a Christian country .. so .. should we be worried ?

    What do you think ?

    This is one of the main reasons I believe there should be a zero refugee policy. Our very security is under threat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Lofidelity


    The hybrid model of ukranian's/ public guests in rural hotels is common. Guaranteed income all year long while giving the appearance of operating as normal. It means your bar and restaurant business continues as the locals still go in. Its only in the event of a funeral or summer festival that it becomes obvious that few rooms are available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Yep those countries who are doing essentially sfa so they can face their voting demographic, smile and say "see, we care" while people starve, burn to death etc, yep them ones.

    Just because the neighbouring countries don't give a f-ck that's what makes it entirely groovy in your mind. Cool.

    So if I'm slapping the **** out your mother and your father smiles that means you can't intervene OK!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This was in the IT this morning - the ICCL says ‘it is well established that many people fleeing persecution may have “perfectly legitimate reasons” for arriving in the Republic without documents.’

    They don’t expand further though. Does anyone know what the legitimate reasons are? I’m just genuinely curious.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    You mean like our government which made what they themselves call a “symbolic gesture that give hope” all so a bunch of left leaning youngsters feel good about themselves for about a week about this virtue signalling stunt

    All before returning to boards and complaining about countries who are actively trying to bring in aid and help people on ground.

    Yeh nice one, next step is to offer actual help and start shipping in refugees by the boat load here and start building mini Gaza in I don’t know Athlone or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    That's not for us plebs to worry about, to quote Mehole "where's your humanity..."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Ionraice


    Indeed.

    And yet, according to the UNHCR :

    (1951 convention relating to the status of refugees and its 1967 protocol)

    "The 1951 convention only protects persons who qualify for refugee status.

    Certain categories of persons are considered not to deserve refugee protection, and should be excluded from said protection. This includes persons where there are reasons to suspect that:

    They have committed a crime against peace, a war crime, a crime against humanity, or a serious non political crime outside their Country of refuge....

    Well, well.

    It seems there are options for the removal of some of the undesirable elements among our guests.

    Strange...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,716 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,716 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,574 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    You can listen to it here. 300 people turned out to the public meeting on Friday. Focal point was that more refugees were being put into the local hotel, but mostly about accessing services/housing/language for general population

    And last night, refugees were moved in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    You see there's a difference of outlook here, when I see tens of thousands of kids being killed with Israeli, yank and brit bombs that just doesn't sit well with me. In fact I want that to stop, immediately. Do you feel the same? If not what part of your brain have you abused so much that that's OK with you?

    Feeling this way does not mean I want Ireland to open it's borders to thousands of Palestinians. I think they should be able to live in that place called Palestine, they want that too. I'd wholeheartedly agree the neighboring Arab states need to take more ownership.

    I'm in the wrong thread saying all this and I don't do social media because dealing with halfwits who've squeezed all the empathy outa their frontal cortex probably because they've being pulling the guts out of themselves in their bedroom of their parents gaf for years in between posting shyte like this is ehhhh bothersome.

    And with that, I'm gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    Maybe if we diverted all the hundreds of billions wasted on immigration from the 3rd world, we could offer meaningfully large financial incentives for European citizens to have kids along with even more free and subsidised child care. Also, we should be comfortable with a small decline in population especially given the relatively high population density in Europe. More housing and less traffic along with less pollution is a win/win for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Speaking of posting shite, you are the one giving out about states who are actually trying to help and offer aid

    And got awful upset when I pointed out the glaring hole in your virtue signalling far left outlook which is leading to so much migration

    If this aid is not offered then those people either die or migrate to Europe and Ireland which come to think of it is an acceptable outcome to the neighbouring Arab/Muslim countries in the area who spend more on building mosques across Europe than they do on helping Palestinians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


    If the new citizens are “Irish”, why do we have to have Africa Day every year, and recently Black History Month??, Ireland has very little black history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    From their readers. Do you consider their readers to be 'less than dust beneath your chariot wheels?' ;)

    Would you say that considerably fewer than 14% of voters are concerned about the cost of living? Does it seem an unrealistic figure to you? How do you feel about the cost of living yourself? The cost of rents?? What about housing? Is it an issue do you think? Myself, I would say it very much is, both in the rental and buying markets but hey, maybe I'm wildly eccentric :)



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