Russia-Ukraine War

» And I sincerely hope

You don't sincerely hope anything, these are weasel words using by Daly and inc to "both sides" the war.

This isn't a territorial spat between two countries or war over resources. It's a large-scale invasion of Ukraine by Putin, a war of choice that he can end at any time by simply turning around.

@patnor1011 "What is even more tragic is that it is pretty much civil war simply because both actors are slavs with little to no difference between each other."

Ukrainians would vehemently disagree. They see Russians as barbaric and very unlike them. They trace their roots back to Finland and Europe.

Looks like aviation school and airfield

As long it's Russian controlled infrastructure and preferably full of Russian equipment and personnel, good news.

I don't need to engage with them, I see them online with their stupid watermelons and labels like "queers for Palestine, ceasefire now!" next to pictures of them partying on mdma at some rave the previous night. Attention seeking morons with no real interest beyond cheap slogans.

I'm talking about the lunatic fringe here.

That Israel deserves huge criticism is a totally separate issue.

here we go again. The old Ukrainians are being forced to fight narrative. 2 and a half years they have held out so far. I don’t see any Ukrainians protesting on the streets anywhere against what their government are doing. They are protesting against Russia and dying against Russia. Thousands of them are here in Ireland and are free to hold such protests and highlight this being “ forced to fight Russia “ it’s not happening. Your post is absolutely disingenuous and you know it. The only protesting Ukrainians are doing is at not being given enough weapons to fight Russia FFS!!!!Little to know difference between them you say ??? There is a massive difference between living in an Autocratic kleptocratic **** hole and a potential western democracy.

Regarding Israel/Palestine, I would be much more in favour of the innocent people on either side of that conflict who are just trying to get through their daily lives. As much blood as the Netanyahu government has on its hands, I cannot get behind what Hamas did either because they knew full well that the attack they perpetrated would provoke a brutal response from Israel and that ordinary Palestinians would suffer unimaginably. I would go so far as to say that Hamas were banking on this in order to tip the whole regional situation into a runaway train.

And my sympathies would lie with innocent people on both sides of the Russia/Ukraine conflict as well. It's just that Russia is far more of a menace to ordinary Ukrainians at this point in time than vice versa, so virtually all sympathy goes to the Ukrainians right now.

"It's just that Russia is far more of a menace to ordinary Ukrainians at this point in time than vice versa, so virtually all sympathy goes to the Ukrainians right now."

Not just to ordinary Ukrainians but also to the Ukrainians as a political group.

Russia ,as a political grouping unforgiveably invaded Ukraine.

Ukraine has the right to defend itself and if ,in the process more "ordinary Russians" suffer than "ordinary Ukrainians" then I may be disinclined to shed a tear for them to the extent that they bear collective responsibility for their actions.

(of course not all do ,by any means)

If ,hypothetically Ukraine is able to repel the Russian army from its borders and thereafter continues to attack "ordinary Russians" ,then they would deserve sympathy (for what that is worth) but until then the Russian army and its compliant citizenry have only themselves to blame and to console.

I said pretty much I did not say definitely.

Yes, slavs are ethnic group with little difference between various nationalities. There is no homogenous group of certain nationality despite what you want to think as you simply do not take in account history of for how long they all lived together.

People on both sides are being forced to fight. While there are certain people who may want to go to war for the thrill of it or something else everyone who is normal in their head would steer clear from anything like that. Ukrainians in Ireland and all over the world who ran away are prime example of that.

Mercenaries and crazies who enjoy it tend to expire quite fast and the longer the conflicts last the less people are eager to volunteer. Forced conscription and increased emigration follow.

In case you did not notice there were protests by Ukrainians everywhere when they were denied consular services. None of the millions who left is packing his bags to go back to fight for your idealistic worldview.

"Both sides" again.

This is another attempt to put Ukrainians on the "same level" as their invaders by constantly drawing false equivalence.

Ukrainians are defending their country and homes, hundreds of thousands signed up voluntarily to do this.

Russia is invading, their men are doing it solely for the money or conscripted. It's completely different.

Ukrainians don't "enjoy" this invasion, they don't have a choice. Many have been killed, 10's of thousands have lost limbs, it's unsurprising there are difficulties with recruitment. Fighting at the front is absolutely brutal. Despite that (and difficulties) they are still going back, 10's of thousands have returned, I know multiple Ukrainians who have gone back this year to fight.

Note the sneering tone in this post, contradicting the "concerned" tone in the last few. We've seen this BS many times before in it's many forms.

Pat or, would like your opinion on what resources Russia was /is after in that part of Georgia and Moldova it occupies?

"I want peace" isn't a plan. The alternate you are proposing is to un-arm Ukraine, let Ukraine be over-run and let russian genocide occur.

That isn't an acceptable plan to anyone reasonable bar russians huffing down putins fumes (remembering that russia has barely made any progress beyond what they have been fighting in before 2022 anyway in the donbas and luhansk regions.

Most on here would arm Ukraine to the teeth with whatever weaponry they wanted (putin has proven impotent in stopping this), instead we're in a half-way situation where Ukraine is being given enough to defend itself and continuously grind russian conscripts into mincemeat.

From some country's perspective, that is fine, as russia is being de-fanged very cheaply with only Ukrainian lives on the line. russia in just over 2 years has rendered its armed forces inert, destroyed the remaining vestiges of its naval power and hollowed out its population which was already shrinking with unbalanced demographics.

But I'd be in the "Give Ukraine whatever they want and can handle" camp, which includes letting other country's patrol its airspace.

Calling it a civil war is also a very sh*tty thing to say, I doubt you'd be so happy if people proclaimed Slovakia as part of russia (maybe you would given your posting?).