Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

no

They can move Ukrainians in to modular homes that don't require planning permission, maybe that's the thinking behind it?

Arresting them and bringing them "back across the border" effectively means bringing them to the border and instructing the PSNI to bring them somewhere and instructing the British government to accept their return. Good luck with that.

What's interesting here as well is that you refer to left wing ideologies ruining Europe when it is the current right leaning Tory party in government with all its hardline sentiments on immigration who are the ones gleefully promoting the use of the border to allow migrants passage to Ireland.

How is the right wing Italian government getting on at making all those easy fixes that the loony Left refused to?

AFAIK, unfortunately no, we can't do this, due to the Geneva Convention.

I would be happy if somebody might confirm or clarify my understanding.

We should be able to do this, but a 70 year-old convention prevents us.

Maybe we need updated "international obligations", that were not written to deal with vast numbers of non-genuine illegal immigrants?

A particular concern would be Irish black or Muslim people being targeted merely because they had crossed the border for leisure or work purposes. It would not be cool if they felt they were being singled out by the authorities because of their skin colour.

Sorry, I can't answer you, and your question is why I am unsure.

You can't believe anything from this government. We have seen time and time again that this government have no problem putting out misleading information as we saw during the 2 failed referendums. They have done a complete 180 on the rhetoric regarding immigration, previously anyone who spoke out against their policies or lack there of were labelled right wing, racists and other labels, now with an election coming and more people voicing concerns over immigration the rhetoric has changed.

What do you mean . Ukrainians are getting turfed out.

Used to be a dedicated group of AGS just for this purpose up to a few years ago .

About 100 .

They were reduced gradually until now there are officially only two AGS chiefly on office duties until recent weeks when the "asylum seekers chiefly coming over the border " story kicked off .

This was a political choice because of Brexit and our negotiations re the Irish border , along with complacency and lack of forethought as usual .

Now it is brought back to the fore in media and political attention and so that is why the checks are being ramped up again.

(I say this is a " story " because as far back as a year ago the fact that the majority of asylum seekers were not coming through the airports but were travelling from Belfast was highlighted here on this thread by the posters who are deemed to be Pro immigration . But this was ignored by others until now )

Border checks have always necessary because of smuggling and people entering illegally but it was not politically expedient at the time .

It is now ..optics is right, Cluedo .

Be good if our government actually for once put the needs of Irish citizens first and foremost.

Get the Gardaí out from behind the desk and manning the border and refusing entry to any non Irish or British citizen who doesn't have the correct visa and identification. Oh we'll hear the roars that you can't do that but we should suck it and see. What's the worst that can happen, other EU states actually agree? And do the same.

The 13k-16k bogus AS are a small share of total immigration.

There is also:

• returning Irish
• UK
• EU
• non-EU on student visas
• non-EU on work visas
• UKR refugees

Why? If I was in another majority non-White country and a White skinned person committed a crime and there was a hunt underway for them, I'd have no issues in being questioned by police in order to apprehend the culprit. I would 'feel' singled out, but wouldn't give two hoots about it. I don't get this "we must not offend at all costs" approach.

These are estimates. This is not Census data. They are estimates, as we don't ask everybody in ports/airports what they are doing:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/

In the 12 months to the end of April 2023:

• The population rose by 97,600 people which was the largest 12-month increase since 2008.

• There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland. 
• Of those immigrants, 29,600 were returning Irish citizens, 26,100 were other EU citizens, and 4,800 were UK citizens. 
• The remaining 81,100 immigrants were citizens of other countries including almost 42,000 Ukrainians.

Over 64,000 people departed the State in the 12 months to April 2023, compared with 56,100 in the same period of 2022. This was one of the highest figures of recent years. 

It hasn't been revealed exactly who they are.

But any non-EU citizen travelling from the UK, perhaps one of the 1.5 million there on visas, coming here for a short holiday or visit, without the correct visa extension could be sent back.

It's possible some were people coming longer term to work illegally but not claiming asylum, which does seem to happen to some extent. This looks very silly as a measure to stop this kind of migration though, considering they can just try again on the next bus/ferry.

I would think it's very much a measure to be seen to be doing something.