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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Contained in this is the reason the Greens are so disliked and disrespected.
    There would be no joy for them unless people where disadvantaged or had their quality of life disrupted or it didn't cost the ordinary person.

    The Greens are the greatest danger to the green agenda. Their arrogance and holier than thou preaching puts people off frankly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They are incompetent, even an alternative budget they couldn't produce

    I get that you think a hypothetical budget that doesn't add up is incompetent.

    What do you call not meeting the ACTUAL budget you implement?


    The main thrust of the council’s latest criticism centred on the Government’s inability to adhere to its own 5 per cent spending rule, which it described as “deeply concerning”. The spending rule seeks to keep the annual increase in government spending inside a 5 per cent ceiling, which is viewed as sustainable for the Irish economy. It was adopted in 2021 but has been broken every year since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    More waffle, the "ordinary person" or the "working class" is fired out but never defined. Just vague waffle.

    Years of it now from the same people.

    In reality the "ordinary person" wants play ground for their kids, clean air and water to breathe, jobs for them and their children. All of which SF policies will be a disaster for.

    So waffle on, some people will buy it, a lot of more sensible people won't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Absolutely correct. The non-whataboutery response to you would have been to produce Sinn Fein's alternative budget plans and to explain why they are better than those of the government. However, to be fair to that poster, there isn't a single person in the country who could produce the Sinn Fein alternative budget and explain how it is better.

    It is a joke the way that people defend Sinn Fein. Everyone knows that Sinn Fein is against everything, nobody knows what Sinn Fein are for, that is why their support is falling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    When you say they are incompetent, who are you comparing them to?

    I presume you mean the government who don't present hypothetical budgets they implement real budgets that as pointed out failed.

    Incompetent too? Yep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,116 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You'd need a very creative accountant to include robbing ATMs and washing diesel as income sources, to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is quite scary how unrealistic people are about the climate change issues. They think that we can continue to build houses on the top of mountains and at the end of every boreen and still not worry about climate change. That is the mentality of Sinn Fein writ loud and clear. Ignore the problems, pretend they will go away, pay lip service to the ideas. The reality is that if we are to save the planet, protect our children's future, our lives will have to suffer. Sinn Fein pretends this isn't so.

    Have you seen Sinn Fein's policy on climate?

    https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2019/SF_Climate_Justice_Nov_2019.pdf

    Here it is. It is really scary in its ignorance. Their gobbledy-gook on carbon tax is just a start. "All talk of using it for climate action is simply a ruse because the alternatives are not in place". That is just a lie from Sinn Fein, one of many lies that that party promulgates. Here is how the carbon tax is spent, all of it on climate action:

    https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/273321/07262fac-d631-4b1c-a3eb-1e103bfec2ce.pdf#page=null

    Of course, all we will get back is the gubberment this and the gubberment that. Not a single poster will be able to set out clearly how Sinn Fein's climate action policies will be better than the Greens. All we will get is guff and nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If a political party is receiving revenue from those sources and you know about it doesn't that meand we have incompetent law enforcers and revenue commissioners?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They are incompetent. No comparison needed. If my boss came out tomorrow and said I was incompetent I wouldn't ask him who he was comparing me to would I? (not that he would )

    Releasing a alternative budget with errors is incompetent

    Launching an insurance bill which would cost everyone more money is incompetent

    Their entire portfolio is incompetent

    Taking over DCC and ending up with less units than when they started is incompetent

    The list goes on

    Shouting about houses while blocking them and forcing people on the street is just disgusting behaviour

    I fully expect another "what about" post, such is the way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Oh I know, I have looked into it

    But honestly in my opinion it is just down to incompetence. When you look at the proposed Minister for Finance is Pearse, who after the faux outrage act has shown again and again his incompetence and we are supposed to thrust this guy with the finance of a country? 140k one week and 100k the next? the level of error is f**king huge.

    In private sector someone making a mistake in finances of less than 1% would get fired. That's a 33% error. Total incompetence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Your boss would be comparing your work to a competent worker. Because that is what he wants, a 'competent worker'.

    What you are doing is critiquing a hypothetical budget while ignoring the repeated failure of actual budgets.

    Takes some level of tunnel vision to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "tunnel vision"

    Look in the mirror a chara

    As I said before, at the moment Ireland is one of the best countries in the World to live in.

    I did post the comparison to give a reference, instead of tackling the issues which I mentioned in regards to Sinn Fein instead you went after that part.

    Couldn't even bother defedning the incompetence of Sinn Fein, says a lot really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,116 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    We're incompetent, but so are the other guys, so, eh, vote for us!
    -MLMD (probably)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    eh?

    You are blind Clo. You get off calling a hypothetical budget incompetent (SF corrected the Business Post claims btw) while ignoring actual incompetence.

    Take the plank out of your eye maybe?

    *I don't think there is a perfect political party on the planet btw. They will all make mistakes, do good and bad.

    ** Nobody, certainly not I, is claiming Ireland is a terrible place to live. Again you need some perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am still waiting for someone to defend Sinn Fein's policy on climate change.

    All I see are the usual incoherent and incomprehensible whataboutery responses. Quite pathetic.

    The incompetence you see in Sinn Fein politicians is matched by the incoherence of their supporters online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Just Transition Task Force This is a good idea
    No carbon tax increases in the absence of viable alternatives Fully agree with this
    No new licences for offshore fossil fuel drilling and no new
    fossil fuel infrastructure - Absolutely agree and any 'Green' staying in a government doing this is a bogus Green.
    A total ban on fracking across the island of Ireland, including
    exploratory drilling, and a total ban on the importation of
    fracked gas - I agree
    Termination of all peat and coal electricity over the next five
    years - While it would be a good thing, I think 5 years is hopeful
    State divestment in fossil fuel projects - I agree
    All data centres to be powered through self-generated 100%
    renewable energy - Agree
    A legal and structural framework for domestic microgeneration
    of renewable energy - Agree
    Greater community ownership and public participation in
    renewable energy projects. - Again, a good idea on several levels

    I also agree with them on the wrongheadedness of the taxation approach to changing behaviours. What the Greens are seeking to change by taxing people will not halt or put the tiniest dent in saving the planet. Therefore tax the worst offenders first, then work down the chain. Bring people with you instead of alienating them from the get go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭robwen


    If SF are the new FF, FG should have no problem forming a coalition with SF after the the next general election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Some in SF hate FF and vice versa, after FF leader DeValera executed some IRA in an Irish prison back in the forties : some Republicans have not forgotten that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭moon2


    Hrmm, there's a lot of negatives in that. There's some detail on exactly what will be removed from the energy supply. No details about how to augment the energy supply and maintain grid stability. The latter part is the part that matters the most unfortunately.

    No new fossil fuel infrastructure and also banning/reducing existing fossil fuel generators, combined with making all data centers self generated?

    Some useful numbers: peat and coal are 16% of generation capacity. Datacentres are 18% of energy consumption. By this policy we need over 30% net new renewable generation capacity to make datacentres self sufficient and remove peat and coal. If that takes 5 years, we also need an additional 20% generation capacity just to keep up with anticipated growth.

    What's the plan to get +50% generation capacity, or import infrastructure, in place in 5 years without increasing the only cost of a kWh as compared to today's already elevated rates.

    It all sounds lovely but in practical real world terms how will this be achieved, especially if we want to maintain grid stability during cloudy wind free days while not building any fossil fuel generation systems. It's a wish list we can all agree with, but the lack of how to achieve it is highly problematic.

    To achieve the plan, we'd literally already have to have approved planning permission for many new generation sites and construction already underway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    When I said that SF are the new FF, I was seeing them as replacing the FF of Haughey and Ahern, corrupt, power-hungry and not interested in the people. There have always been a section of people who have voted for that type. If you look at vote-share, and add FF to SF, you get a figure close to what Haughey and Ahern used get. We even have them on here, posters claiming to have been fooled for 40 years and are now switching to SF for the first time.

    I don't there is a snowball's chance in hell that FF will form a coalition with that type of party - after all, they never formed one with Haughey or Ahern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's a similar document to the one FG have on their website, which is a one page summary.
    There are more detailed PDFs on Renewable Energy and Emissions on their website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Quite clearly, since FG have installed FF (with a leader who served in governments of Haughey and Ahern) in government, even though it was 'like putting Delaney back in the FAI', there is now a good FF and a bad FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    When you consider that Sinn Fein also want the North/South interconnector to go underground at three or four times the cost of overground, as well as not having any realistic approach to the intermittent problems of wind and solar, you get a sense of how incoherently stupid their policy is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭moon2


    I was curious about FFs green energy policy. They've actually listed targets and pathways to grow generation capacity through green sources, as well as promoting an import link between Ireland and France. Similar statements about fracking and new licenses for fossil fuel exploration. No mention of shutting down fossil fuel plants which is reasonable. That has to come after we increase renewables and we're a long way from that unfortunately. They have a half way point wrt peat. It talks of reviews and amendments rather than outright shutdowns.

    If we can reasonably shut down generators I would hope we kill the most polluting ones first. Those generally have the best ramp up times to meet surges in demand though.

    I wish someone was talking more about storage though. I was a bit disappointed to not see either policy committing to targets around storage capacity.

    Objectively the FF policy is more detailed and provides a clearer structure on how we get to net zero and renewable generation. If green energy would win your vote, FF is better than SF in terms of vision, approach and targets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Which types? And if the investor is not private then by definition are they public? Why would a leasehold model be advantageous in this instance? Y



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What I read in their housing policy says that the LA's would hold the no charge leases,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    So the purchaser buys a house but doesn't own the land it stands on? The land is owned by the council.

    What is the advantage of the council retaining ownership of the land?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,194 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The buyer isn’t paying for the site. It’s proposed as an alternative to shared equity I assume.
    Will it work? I don’t know but it seems as sound as shred equity does to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Another disastrous opinion poll tonight for Sinn Fein tonight, down 4 to 23.

    I can only see the figures further dropping after some disastrous media performances of their candidates in the upcoming elections and their continued soft approach to refugees.



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