Champions Cup final thread

At the most important times..... Leinster fail.

I wish World Rugby would clamp down on the ruck. Players not supporting their weight, second man in going for the ball, players coming around the side, players lying over everyone and trying to put hands on the ball well after a ruck is formed, no clear release after a tackle. The whole thing is a mess. It's just way too subjective and almost any ruck could be a penalty if the ref felt like giving one.

I know it's nothing new, but it's really making the game unenjoyable for me lately.

Lowe's corner try was correctly ruled out, unfortunately. McCarthy knocked on at the ruck - I saw it in real time.

I thought the ball was out when Willis took it.

Also the ref made the correct decision on the VdF try and the red card.

But I do think the rip and the McCarthy disallowed "try" was the incorrect decision.

Leinster played all the rugby but Toulouse played the match and were deserved winners.

McCarthy knocked on at the ruck. Disallowing the lowe try was the correct decision, unfortunately.

Whatever about any kind of bias from the officials but there were two things Carley was staring directly at and didn't act on.

The first was VDF being picked up in a headlock, he definitely saw it because he told them to put him down twice, which they ignored.

The second was the red card shoulder, he stared directly at it and actually gave the penalty to Toulouse until TMO intervened, he also missed a knock on just before that.

The man is objectively not up to the task of reffing at a high level.

Toulouse could hurt Leinster a bit more than the reverse, ultimately they were close to three well constructed tries. I thought Leinster were more threatening when Frawley was on.

The ref was poor but that wasn't the winning or losing of the game. Doris giving such a stupid penalty away was criminal in such a tight game.

Unless Mayo won the All Ireland in 2018 they aren't really compatible.

Calling for the coach to be sacked is ridiculous. The coach who got the team to the final of the top club rugby competition in the world, 3 times in a row. By that logic surely every other team who have taken part in the champions cup the last 3 years have to sack their coaches too, right? Except for La Rochelle and Toulouse, their coaches are safe.

I know the team and fans are hurting after getting so close yet again, but keep some perspective.

That is not a correct equivalence, the difference is "has the team improved objectively over the period in which he has been in control and will it continue to improve" I would say it's doubtful. He has had enough time.

I would even take a step backwards for two steps forward. But his vision is clearly not capable of achieving his ultimate goal.

Oh well. If the people responsible for creating headlines and clicks are questioning it then that's enough for me. Carley should be sacked.