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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Tobias Bewildered Bluebird


    There was a French rugby journalist on one of the42 podcasts this week who covers Toulouse, was asked how you go after this Toulouse team and his answer was you have to make shite of their ruck (I know you could say that about anyone but seemed fairly striking it's the answer he went to immediately). So this selection makes sense in that regard.

    I'm very nervous about the 6-2 though. I think an injury that involves a backline reshuffle will basically be a loss of the game, they're too dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    As a neutral im looking forward to the game. The best of luck Leinster and i hope ye win.


    The core of the Irish team will benefit from winning this game mentally because of the frequent losses in crunch games over the last few years.

    I dont think it will be as close as the last few finals where its a one score game at the end, i think there could be 10 points in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Suppose it's true of any team who relies heavily on their excellent 9-10. Same could be said of leinster.

    Leinster can attack the ruck when they want to and don't tend to sit off and give quick ball. So thats positive.

    It's so frustrating when teams attach the ruck successfully. You feel like you've been mugged. The attack just doesn't work, everyone's under pressure and end up making mistakes. Would be ideal if leinster can slow Toulouse ruck ball

    Another angle of attack against leinster is the set piece (but again you could say the same of any good team).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    There we have it. The only real options covered by Jenkins, o Connor and Larmour with a 6/2 split and Frawley covering the back line.

    Now we know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Foley deserved to be on bench, if McGrath has to come on at scrum half we are in trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It's a conservative decision but that was always more likely than promoting Foley to the squad for the final. I expect to see a lot more of Foley next year as no.2 scrum half with mcgrath as no.3.

    I'd hope to see a lot more of Gunn too to hopefully take the no.3 and push for no.2 in 2026



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,952 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    In defense I'd still have McGrath over Foley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    We will be but we would also be in just as much trouble with Foley involved. He's nowhere near ready for something like this. His pass is comfortably better than McGrath's at this stage but he is glacially slow at the ruck. He got done for not using it once last weekend at the breakdown and was fortunate not to be done at least one other time.

    I can see both Leinster halfbacks playing 80 minutes.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Probably be more use on the wing though.

    It was never going to happen after not getting games earlier. He should probably have gotten more games earlier though cause mcgrath is a complete bust now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Sure but injury has really hindered his game time prospects over the last couple of seasons. Hopefully he gets a clean run next year.

    With all that said, I think Gunne has the potential to be the Leinster 22 by this time next year with an opportunity (I'm not sure he'll get it though). He has a better pass than McGrath or Foley, is more decisive than Foley and has a fairly decent kicking game too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Took the day off work to watch this. Just canceled and will go to work. I can't suffer being a bridesmaid again!

    Anyway, best of luck to Leinster and all traveling. Fingers xed.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Toulouse half-backs will also play the full 80 barring injury.

    Ramos will come on at 60/65 , but he'll come on for Kinghorn.

    Grau won't get near the pitch unless there's an injury to Dupont



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I'd agree but with the one difference that, as you point out, Ramos will come on. So will Chocobares. I don't think either of our backs are coming on without an injury.

    There's a huge amount riding on nobody getting injured in the backs for us tomorrow, I reckon. We're all in on winning this game up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Agreed. I heard a question being asked after the SF if the reason JGP resorted to the box-kicking was down to game plan and expected, or was it because he plays at such a blistering high-tempo that it's difficult to sustain across the 80.

    No more than Dupont, he'll be pretty integral for Leinster to come away with a win tomorrow.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    Cian Healy playing in his 8th European Cup Final tomorrow is pretty incredible. He also played in the Challenge Cup Final in 2013 too.

    Only Toulouse as a club (and Leinster obviously) have played in as many finals as Cian Healy, with Cian having 2x as many finals as the next closest team Saracens.

    Can't see some of those records ever being broken.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Cian, tomorrow, hopefully

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    That bench leaves Leinster very exposed to things going wrong if there is an injury, someone having a bad day or things just not clicking in the backs. McGrath just not good enough and Frawley likely has to stay on the bench until the 75th minute in case of a injury.

    The coaches have left themselves open to serious questions if they don't win. They have the edge in the pack even with 5 forwards on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    That's what I don't get. Against this opposition I'm not even sure 50 minutes of Connors and 30 minutes of van der Flier is better than 80 minutes of van der Flier even without factoring in that you get Jimmy O'Brien into the XXIII with the second scenario. Van der Flier is like the Energizer Bunny. He just keeps going and going. He comes across as a student of the game, so he'd be well able to implement whatever techniques Nienaber wants from the openside flanker.

    But fingers crossed everything works out and we're hailing a Nienaber masterclass 25 hours from now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    that’s rediculous to be frank, they’re playing Toulouse in the final , they are playing their best hand of cards and hopefully it will be an exciting and close match. The tone of ‘if they don’t win the coaches screwed this up’ is nuts. They are with the players day in day out and can assess who best to be on the pitch better than us fans / armchair pundits. They understand the competition better than we do, they are living this 24/7. 2 of the best teams playing in a European final may the best side win , we’re privileged let’s enjoy the moment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, without a doubt. But it's also fair to say that Leo losing another final is a bad look given the resources Leinster have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Have you seen the resources at Toulouse and La Rochelle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, they compare to Leinster. The bones of the best international team in the world on and off for the last 5 or more years. Lets not kid ourselves. I don't think it's controversial to say Leinster should have another star or two given the resources they have, but I won't be continuing with his beyond this comment, Ive been saying the same thing for years here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    ah balanced perspective at last , that’s exactly the point, sometimes it seems there is this view that Leinster has an unrivalled access to European rugby talent , it’s a competitive arena and Leinster are up with the best of them but they ain’t by themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Being with the players day in day out is one thing but they are largely banking on the entire backline playing almost the whole game. JGP is so much better than his backup (that's not really on the coaches tbf) and one player covering 10 - 15 is very risky and even more so if you want/need to spring him early. Against one of the best backlines out there, it is undoubtedly fraught with danger.

    At least with Frawley and JOB on the bench, you assess how things are going and roll the dice during the game. There are a lot of variables and you can get bitten very easily and best laid plans go out the window. I just don't see the logic in limiting yourself in this way. If it doesn't go their way, questions will rightfully be asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Jesus I can't wait till tomorrow. London is buzzing, loadsa Leinster and Toulouse coulours about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Im not sure why you think Leinster should automatically have another star? fact is over the years plenty of excellent teams have won Europe, including Leinster.

    To think Leinster should automatically win the trophy when other teams have shown their quality is a bit big headed, looking at the La Rochelle and Toulouse team they are full of star players from all over the World and the majoirty are international players. The Sarries team which beat Leinster was the same. Wall to wall internationals.

    If La Rochelle/Sarries/Toulouse had a problem area they had the spending capacity which allowed them to buy a player to resolve it, till next season that was not the case for Leinster, they used the academy and used it well.

    Honestly go tell a Toulouse or La Rochelle fan that you think they should have another star and see how they respond?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭johnh6767


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    there you go perspective from across the water



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,162 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Is Ringrose injured ?

    Not a fan of the South African style 6 / 2 split, them winning WC with that style was not good for the sport



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Precicely. Leinster are in the top tier of European rugby for almost 15 years. In that time Toulouse, toulon, sarries, La rochelle and Toulouse again, have come and gone from the top. Lainster has been there the whole time with exception of one year. That's an incredible record.

    They don't win it every year but they're not set up for smash and grab on season and return to the middle of the pack 2 years later. They're set up to be top tier in the medium-long term. I'm absolutely fine with that. Whether they won last year's final or not was an incredibly fine margin. La Rochelle won it and fair play to them. Winning last year wouldn't change anything about the great season they had to get them to the last minute of the final. It came down to a few minutes of great play.

    Here we are again in a final where anything can happen. Sometimes the opposition is just better on the day. That's sport.

    Whatever else happens tomorrow, the team on the field and off will have given everything. That's what I love about rugby.



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