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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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    #21722
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭trashcan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157239#Comment_122157239

    But they are not asked, as I’ve pointed out to you again and again. You are just plain wrong about this. The poster you are replying to is 100 % correct about the process. Asylum seekers are not asked about anything not relevant to their claim. Why would they be.?



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    #21723
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157388#Comment_122157388

    And as I said, if we could all post anecdotes we could post about people we know and what they do or ask. But we can't.

    So you can say I'm wrong, but I know I'm right.



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    #21724
    john123470
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157325#Comment_122157325

    Thats the nub of the problem really. No pride in our culture, our language, our home. It is attitudes such as yours that have landed us where we are today.

    "We can't speak Irish becoz of some laws enacted a few centuries ago .."

    Seriously ?



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    #21725
    Lotus Flower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I have no clue who is right about whether AS are asked about their attitudes but if they are it seems a bit pointless. What's actually done with the answers given and what happens if the answers are not satisfactory? If nothing is the answers to both then it's a waste of time



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    #21726
    Stephen_Maturin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157509#Comment_122157509

    Exactly

    Not to mention there are numerous videos on YouTube of tutorials effectively explaining how to talk your way through the asylum application interviews. Any chancer can be well prepped arriving knowing exactly what to say thanks to these videos



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    #21727
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157422#Comment_122157422

    FI'd be delighted to see more people use our language. I've watched various clips of those anti migration protests with all the people holding Irish flags etc and I've seen some of the speeches.I've yet to see any in Irish though. I think that's massively disappointing tbh. They should be leading by example.There's also nothing stopping you and everyone who thanks your post to engage with our native language and post the Irish version underneath the English one as well.



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    #21728
    Lotus Flower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    And there's nothing stopping you either especially as you just said you'd be delighted to see more people use the Irish language. You can't really criticise people for not doing something you haven't done either



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    #21729
    john123470
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157710#Comment_122157710

    I'm not talking about everybody else. I'm talking about you. You give a limp excuse about laws enacted centuries ago as the reason why you do not speak Irish.

    Every Irish person who has been to an Irish school has at least the basics of our Irish language. Laws enacted centuries back did not prevent them.

    So, what happened to you ? Are you Irish ?



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    #21730
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭trashcan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157419#Comment_122157419

    I’m not relying on anecdotes. I am in a position to be able to state factually and definitively that you are 100% wrong. That’s from personal experience, not from “ someone I know”. Jesus, it’s infuriating arguing with some who is so determined to argue that black is white.



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    #21731
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭trashcan


    @Lotus Flower. Exactly. Suppose an asylum seeker said “yeah, I think gays should be publicly flogged, and women should only be allowed out in the company of their husbands, and should keep their faces covered at all times “. Could they be refused asylum for those attitudes ? No they couldn’t. Which is why they are not asked.



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    #21732
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157821#Comment_122157821

    Quite, personal experience is anecdotal. So, considering that the only evidence anyone of us can come up with is anecdotal, then there is nothing to be gained by constantly arguing. I think we are done here.



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    #21733
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭trashcan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157845#Comment_122157845

    Like I said, infuriating. I can guarantee you, I am in a position to know what the facts are, you clearly aren’t. I’m going to leave it there. No point in arguing further with someone so ill informed. You jumped two footed into the thread with a claim which you have been completely unable to back up, and you’ve been told by two people who are better placed to know than you.



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    #21734
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157806#Comment_122157806

    I gave the reason English is the main language used in Ireland. For centuries the use of Irish was banned. It had to be used by everyone for everything. Ireland has been an independent country for less than a century. It also highlights how Britian viewed and treated other cultures. As I said, Britain have never open and accepting of other cultures. Hence the reason they tried to colonise so many places and force them to live by British rule and tried to eridacte their own culture.

    I know it will disappoint you, and it disappoints me, but this thread isn't about me. So who I am, where I'm from, what I do and anything else about me is off topic unfortunately.



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    #21735
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157862#Comment_122157862

    All you have proved with your anecdotal evidence is that you do not ask them.

    Now, I'm not going to break mod rules for the thread, so I won't be posting how I know, that they are asked.

    So yes, I think we should leave it there.



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    #21736
    john123470
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157929#Comment_122157929

    "I know it will disappoint you, and it disappoints me, but this thread isn't about me. So who I am, where I'm from, what I do and anything else about me is off topic unfortunately."

    Oh i'm not disappointed at all. Your posts tell me all i need to know about you.

    I, on the other hand, have no reason to hide away in shame. I am a proud Irishman born and bred and I despair at what is currently happening to my country



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    #21737
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158123#Comment_122158123

    I've no doubt when you get elected in the upcoming elections you'll turn it all around and fix all our "problems".



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    #21738
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157943#Comment_122157943

    No, if you accept that they are in a position to know then that would make their evidence first hand experience, not anecdotal evidence which would be second hand or hearsay in my opinion.



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    #21739
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157840#Comment_122157840

    Of course they're not asked. Plenty of religious people both Christian and Muslim from many countries would have attitudes which we would consider discriminatory against gay people. They are not going to have their decision madr based on these opinions.

    So the question wouldn't be asked. Oh you are freeing a war in Syria but we deny you protection because you are homophobic. Not a chance.



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    #21740
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158220#Comment_122158220

    but maybe it should start being asked. If their views are against the laws and values of the land, why do they want to come to start a new life here. We need to start getting real about the calibre of people we're allowing into the country at will.



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    #21741
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158232#Comment_122158232

    In an ideal word maybe. However people have a right to have opnions that other people find offensive. Which includes their religion. If you are basing decisions on who needs protection which is the current law I am not sure how you would begin to decide whose opinions are valid.



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    #21742
    john123470
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158150#Comment_122158150

    Dam straight !

    And first on a plane out would be those who refused to fully integrate with and accept Irish culture and values.

    They would also be expected to pass an oral and written test in Irish at an intermediate level (after 1 year here)

    Failure to comply with the above would entail instant deportation.

    They would also be expected to earn their daily bread. No freebies on my watch !!

    You might not want me to get elected after all ? 😀



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    #21743
    MegamanBoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122154978#Comment_122154978

    I'm sure they'll try a more hardline approach but it sounds like they're bound by EU rules.

    I've no doubt as a big Putin fan Wilders will do his best to stir up as much trouble on immigration as he can.

    Quite a lot of the anti-immigration leaders are pro-Putin, funny that.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dutch-coalition-govt-wants-strictest-081501151.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABIDiJdJ_5Weoc85RfKnVT3BP67kWsxyAxEw_ffTJl6RfxS2BaZ7d-ecO3rcASB6qy56spca8vsRQZiWCZTKK4Ljcnno4AuFb-AbY8N2_gpCF2ph0pWF1G6d_o05zZj0mVq7Igvo9rRvTeNFwP311e7XH5YJ_uHGJaLCyrEJP0j_



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    #21744
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158192#Comment_122158192

    No. That's anecdotal evidence. You have no idea what anyone on here does.



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    #21745
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158252#Comment_122158252

    it definitely isn't an ideal world. But we need to start having proper conversations about this. Because we're blindly accepting over 500/wk extra people into the country. People who are a riding the system and sneering at our good nature.



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    #21746
    Furze99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There is a degree of confusion over what can and can't be discussed on this thread. Is it just 'refugees' as per the OP and related warnings on page 1 and page 725.

    Does this extend to the asylum seeker issue and policies relating to both?

    If both these issues of refugees and asylum seekers can be discussed, does such discussion relate to 'immigration'.

    @Beasty please clarify, so that people can stay within what's deemed suitable.



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    #21747
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 121 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122157239#Comment_122157239

    Interesting (if true) that they asked about their attitudes to Irish society when it was admitted that they only recently started asking about which countries they have travelled through to get here - which would seem like fairly basic information to request from someone who is asking for protection, housing and other supportams from the war or persecution they are fleeing. Although nothing would surprise me.

    If I was genuinely fearful for my personal safety and seeking refuge somewhere I would be grateful to the country providing me with that refuge and do everything to prove the veracity of my claim. You want to see my phone location history? Here you go. You want to see my Facebook and Instagram accounts to support that I am who I say I am? No problem. Especially if I have no documents to support my claims despite managing to arrive there somehow?!

    And if I have absolutely nothing to prove this and that country has limited resources to provide sanctuary.. well that country is well within their right to prioritise people who have documents or other evidence to support their claims. Simple solution, implement a points based system based on credibility. We only have capacity for 10% of applicants then the 10% most credible get accepted. The rest..sorry.. we've limited capacity and others had more evidence to support their asylum claim.



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    #21748
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158346#Comment_122158346

    You said ; “All you have proved with your anecdotal evidence is that you do not ask them.”

    So you don’t accept they are genuinely in a position to know then - or in this case both the posters - that’s fine it was unclear from what you said there in quotes.



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    #21749
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158491#Comment_122158491

    Asylum seekers are actually seeking refugee status, and the country's refugee policy is directly relevant to its "asylum seeker" policy. People who migrate seeing asylum are therefore part of the topic of this thread

    If anyone has further questions PM me. Do not respond to this post here



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    #21750
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158346#Comment_122158346

    You're criticising others for using anecdotes yet your counterpoint is equally anecdotal i.e. you imply (in post 21770) that you have inside info on what applicants are asked.

    To make things worse, you then state that asylum seekers are asked about their attitudes but then you also say (21753) that this does not mean that such info impacts decisions. So your own point, by your own admission, is actually moot. This is a completely childish and purposely confusing method of posting that undermines any shred of credibility in your arguments.

    The interview is described online (links below). It only covers international protection matters. There is nothing to suggest that attitudes towards Irish society are investigated - the contrary is in fact the case.

    If an interviewer goes off on an unapproved tangent and starts asking questions that do not pertain to the formal process, then any information garnered cannot be used to make a decision.

    https://ipo.gov.ie/en/ipo/pages/assesment
    http://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/IPO/InfoBookletNew.pdf/Files/InfoBookletNew.pdf



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    #21751
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://extra.ie/2024/05/19/news/irish-news/deportations-overturned-ireland

    This government has no interest in enforcing deportation orders.



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