General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

It absolutely isn't.

I've said numerous times in this thread it's a process issue. PGMOL were using an external source to the game to re-referee the game and have since switched tact to now just use it for extreme circumstances (after previously admitting they didn't want to do this as to not embarrass their mates).

What happens in the match absolutely does matter what happens for that one tackle. Some referees are more lenient than others. Some let more things go, but are consistent throughout that one game. When an external source comes in then after 30/60/80 etc mins and says no I want you to change that one tackle but ignore the relevance to others. Players know what referees will allow/not allow after the first few mins. There is regularly games taking place where the players know that the referee will allow a certain type of tackle to and so they will do it. And vice versa.

The fact you can't see that and can only see the name of the player used in the examples says it all. I bet if I used a different players name, with the same process and outcome, you wouldn't be disagreeing. You keep referencing the player and his club, I keep talking about the process. And I have said I have no problem with the outcome of that incident either which makes it even stranger.

But the referee saw it in front of his eyes and he said that it was a yellow card in accordance to the other tackles he had allowed/disallowed in the game and somebody else overruled him and said no it's different so was overrule. You can apply that to at least one game every single week of the league this season. That's the process that needs to change.

If not, then just get rid of referees altogether and let cameras decide everything.

It seems like FIFA are testing the coaches challenge.

Don’t make frivolous challenges and then you can make as many as you like

There needs to be a punitive aspect to raising a challenge and getting it wrong. NFL you lose a time out for example

The punishment is that you lose a challenge. You get 2 challenges per match, but if it's a successful one, then you don't lose it.

I think what it means is there'll be no VAR intervention until the coach challenges a decision. If anything it should speed up the current situation because VAR won't review everything.

There's too much money riding on the Premier League to have the attitude that the incompetent officials will do their best, and we should be happy with it.

I think the challenge system is a stupid idea, especially if it is addition to how VAR currently runs, as they should be reviewing all instances anyway

A challenge system will lead to further pressure or bias, as there will be pressure to confirm these challenges, that the club think they missed or got wrong.

Although it would be interesting to see all Man City challenges upheld, and the distribution for the rest of the teams😊

How many VAR officials do we need to just do their job properly and make the right decisions. I mean we are talking about obvious mistakes that are been made, not small debatable instances most of the time.

Now if they removed VAR and only used Goal line, auto Offside, then maybe a challenge might work for other stuff then. But will the refs still let things go as they know the team can challenge?

But what if you challenge and obvious foul, 1 min or even 2min from the Goal (with no change of possession), at some point they'll have to say goal stands but it was a foul and you keep your challenge?

Also with penalties, a foul is a foul inside or outside box, and they need to stop this minimum contact (especially trips at speed, or kicks to the back of legs), and mutual holding, because most times it obvious who's doing the real holding.

And if you block a short on goal, or a cross to a Striker,with your hand, it should be a penalty, even if accidental, unless the ball would have hit the body anyway.

And then we have the independent VAR review panel, made up of 1 premier league, and 1 PGMOL official out of 5, seriously how is this independent, can we get their reviews without these 2 and the majority of the other 3. Would be interesting to see the difference.

Not sure about Foden as player of the year. But maybe that’s as much to do with him being very unlikeable and being a City player. Saka, Odegaard, Saliba and Watkins all worth a shout. Rodri does too much fouling to be considered for it in my opinion.