General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

eagle eye

The offside one is what really annoys me. Like if it's inside six inches and called on or off by the officials it should just stand.

Curtis Jones red card was the most obvious red card this season.. can't believe people are still moaning about it. Well one person. Should have got an extra game added for frivolous appeal

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12976070/curtis-jones-liverpool-unsuccessful-with-bid-to-overturn-midfielder-s-red-card-at-tottenham-hotspur

Talisman

Ederson is out for the rest of the season.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cqlnljpzdk9o

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145630#Comment_122145630

What if its 7 inches? All you've done is arbitrarily move the line

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145568#Comment_122145568

Very simple for attackers to stay onside at all times. But they've made a career since schoolboy level of playing off the shoulder of the last man and hoping that 1 in 3 decisions whether correct or not go their way (in games without VAR). And when VAR comes along they are failing to adapt.

So no sympathy from me for these poor attackers getting their goals varred off by 1cm - fk 'em, stay onside and stop trying to gain a 1cm advantage. As you might guess I'm a defender.

McFly85

The offside one bothers me because it’s unreasonable to ask players to judge themselves to a millimetre in real time, there should be some leeway(although I’ve no doubt referees would muck that up).

At least with the system coming in next year we should have consistency.

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145654#Comment_122145654

Obviously you cannot read. I wasn't moaning about it and I have previously said I was fine with it.

I was highlighting the example as it was a high-profile example of a process where one person overruled another while being external to the flow of the game.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145780#Comment_122145780

I love your confidence but I guarantee there's going to be a game next season where some eejit forgot to turn on the switch at the start of the game and it's not working or not calibrated properly🤣

It's still PGMOL after all

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145780#Comment_122145780

So you can see that it would be better for the game overall to have some leeway there? Even if that leeway will sometimes lead to complaints?

ebbsy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145115#Comment_122145115

Do you know what kills me with the offsides ? A toe off. A knee off. A hand off.

There should always be a clear gap between the forward and the defender to be called offside.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145882#Comment_122145882

But thats the hole they dug for themselves.

Once you proclaim that something is definable then you have to define it, you no longer get to have leeway, or judgement, or common sense. You have to say where the line is and stick to it right down to the very millimetre.

So whats is a clear gap? Where should the line be? Whats allowed or not allowed? All subjective decisions, and all causing just as much controversy as linesmen ever did. But they have to do all this petty, micro analysing of lines and armhair because if they don't, then the concept of VAR falls apart.

You can't have VAR using their judgement, because that just begs the question of why VAR is needed at all, why not just let the linesmen use their judgment.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145689#Comment_122145689

6 inches is half of a foot. If the distance is that or less there's no measurement. Once you go beyond that then check it. There won't be many mistakes outside of half of a foot.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145630#Comment_122145630

Not sure the tolerance, but in the current system there is a degree of overlap or tolerance. In the uefa version there is not.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145882#Comment_122145882

Imo that would be horrific.

1. How do you define a clear gap. There will always be an element he was off by a mm.
2. The level of advantage it would give to attackers is huuuuge. It's insane imo.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145980#Comment_122145980

Without measurement how do they know if it is more or less than 6 inches?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145831#Comment_122145831

Perfect use of VAR. One of the rare examples of it this season. Like a ref missing the danger of a high tackle in rugby

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144502#Comment_122144502

chelsea were financed to the tune of 1.5bn by abramovic.

utd have let their stadium rot.

arsenal invested in their stadium to the detriment of their team.

newcastle are only getting started and if allowed will usurp city.

normal teams cannot compete with city.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145268#Comment_122145268

Unfortunately, it took a third angle, that VAR probably ignored, to show that Gordon was fouled last night.

As I said when VAR was introduced it was because Sky had so many cameras at each game that they were highlighting refereeing errors that managers then jumped upon as excuses for losing games. Now, with VAR in, but being mis-run, Sky have their "Ask The Ref" show where Dermot Gallagher acts as a fully paid up member of the referees union and defends them to the hilt. They are going to take the royal p*** out of him with the Gordon one on Monday.

If the clubs voted VAR out, which they won't, Sky would just continue showing referee error after referee error anyway. They have to fill 24 hours every day.

Augme

Offsides should and will be automatic and that's how it should be. For everything else, a manager should be given 2(or 3) "challenges" that they can use every game. If the challenge something the ref goes to the monitor to review and then makes a decision based on the TV angles. It doesn't have to be clear and obvious, it's up to the ref to decide how he interprets it.

TheRona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146006#Comment_122146006

I don't think most of these people have thought through the fact that moving the line of offside will make absolutely no difference to the controversy. The only benefit of this suggestion is that it will favour attackers more by allowing them a 6 inch head-start on defenders, and this will lead to more goals.

Offsides are the one thing they should be able to do right with the new system. Talk of 6 inches or a clear gap changes nothing, all you've done is move the line where they have to check. This comes up every time and is a baffling suggestion

citytillidie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146279#Comment_122146279

Have the automatic offside and each team has a challenge like field hockey "closest sport to football with video refs". If the challenge is successful they keep it if not they lose it stops them questioning everything. Once there is a challenge they have to ask a question that can only be answered Yes/No so its black and white for the VAR to look at.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146360#Comment_122146360

Then you get an "Henry handball" incident happen after they have used all their challenges and you are right back where you started, with people complaining because life is not fair.

LuckyLloyd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144637#Comment_122144637

Watching City is like watching a Boa constrictor suffocate its prey. They just strangle the game against most opponents. Huge preponderance of possession and territory until their opponent makes a mistake. It is inevitable and relentless.

They play a handful of interesting games a year against Liverpool or Madrid and the likes who are able to go toe to toe with them. City play their part in those games being entertaining, make no mistake about it. If pressed high up the pitch and forced to play quick, they absolutely can. But most opponents lack that quality.

I find it beyond tedious watching them pass it around back and around against weaker opposition who can't get a kick. I appreciate the quality of what I'm watching, but it is far from entertaining.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146347#Comment_122146347

think you’re missing the point of the suggestion - it’s fine that calls would still be close, with a millimeter on or off - what it would fix is that offside becomes a position where you might have actually gained an advantage.

The whole point of offside was always that you were far enough ahead of the defender that it could actually be seen by the linesman’s own eyes - whereas now we have offsides where absolutely no visible advantage was gained. In the past, everyone would have looked at these, even in freeze-frame, and said “yeah that’s level, good goal”. The ‘advantage gained’ part of offside has been lost, so one way of bringing that back would be to move the line to a position visibly in front of the defender.

Yeah there would still be tight millimeter calls, but that’s ok - we’d at least have changed the use of technology to better match the original intent of the law it’s enforcing.

noodler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145654#Comment_122145654

Ridiculous interpretation of what the poster said tbf.

However, I don't mind saying it still rankles with me. Stoods were up but there was no height in it at all until the foot rides the top of the ball in the most unfortunate of fashions.

I can't believe for a second there wasn't a "more obvious red all season".

NITRO95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146470#Comment_122146470

The reasons his studs were up doesn't make a single bit of difference, he endangered an opponent and was deservedly sent off

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146562#Comment_122146562

I take it you're in favor of the VAR re-refereeing the games then, and taking singular tackles out of context against all other tackles within that game?

Irrespective of what you thought of that one incident, that's basically what you're saying. You want the guy in an office away from the pitch to make the decision.

I used that one incident as an example of one specific tackle within a game full of tackles where the referee was told to change his mind on one specific tackle before then being shown one single still image, to further tell him how he was wrong, on that one tackle and remove all context from how that one tackle ranked alongside other tackles within that game that he had previously had the only (and final) decision on.

And I don't agree with that process. It's not the decision I don't agree with and have made clear.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146215#Comment_122146215

You need to have a look at United's figures. They could stay inside ffp guidelines and spend £500 million on transfers.

The Glazers don't care about anything but money and the value of their assets. The reason they allowed Ineos in the door was concerns for their assets valuation. They could sort their stadium out and buy all around them and still not have any financial issues.

NITRO95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146593#Comment_122146593

Jesus H Christ, the fn gymnastic routine you go through to complain about a deserved red card is insane. Read what I said again, it doesn't matter why it happened, the absolute fact of it is that Jones endangered an opponent and was rightly sent off.

Your rant about my VAR beliefs is just gibberish used to mask your complaints about Liverpool having a player sent off. Here's my quite simple VAR opinion for the record, I don't give a flying fcuk what system they implement once its used correctly. I also don't believe that some teams are more hard done by than others because that's just football. You get some decisions and you don't get others. The undisputed fact is that EPL Referees are horrendous and an embarrassment to the league.

All that said, Jones was rightfully sent off and any other incidents in the match don't make a bit of difference in that discussion