Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

for how long? why oh why would you defend this monster? have you no cut of point or threshold?

So because he murdered someone we just make up othe lies about him and accept them as fact? Bizarre attitude tbh.

People can't go around making false accusations that the State or department officials could/should have deported Puskas and imply they hold some responsibility for Aisling Murphy murder becusse they didn't. Puskas was legally entitled to stay in Ireland and ireland werent entitled to remoce him, that's a fact. I don't know why people cant just accept that.

Where's the breakdown on the demographics of the offenders?

from the radio this morning , the number was minimum of 1,800 tents

A counter point would be that probably 99% of men from those communities are not involved in serious criminality. There might have been perhaps 100 British Asian men or less convicted of child grooming offences.

Should we judge the Irish population based on the activities of Dublin's criminal / drugs gangs?

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0517/1449844-clonmel-modular/

Not really the way to go about it IMO

How will faster processing times help if we will not deport significant numbers? Realistically that will not change.

Also, we should definitely discriminate when it comes to processing IPA claims. That means rejecting IPA claims for people with a violent criminal background. It may also mean rejecting applications from nations where the prevailing culture is anathema to our own. We have a liberal and republican constitution in our country and we should take reasonable steps to safeguard it. Take for example same sex marriage and the right to terminate a pregnancy. Both of which are now rights enshrined in our constitution by the democratic will of the people. There are certainly cultures in the world who would find both of those rights to be complete anathema to them. Why risk our own progress and values for those of others, especially when such values are clearly dear to us. We need to get out of idealistic thinking and get into realistic thinking i.e. the cultures of some tribes / nations / religions are diametrically opposed to ours. And that limiting immigration from these diametrically opposed cultures may be a good idea.

Idealism has taken hold in a big way in our government. Nothing wrong with ideals but they must be applied pragmatically with respect paid to the reality of the situation. We had two idealistic referenda only in the near past that was pushed by government, both of which were soundly rejected by a realist electorate. We're seeing the same happen again in communities all over Ireland. An idealistic government believing that its possible to double the population of rural communities with IPAs and that integration will take care of itself. Again and again this is being resisted by realistic communities who rightly ask questions like, has our personal security been considered here? Our access to public services? Our access to hosuing in our local community? We've a rocky road ahead unless the government has an epiphany .

There's that element to it too. For the IPA process to work, one potential outcome must be that an IPA claim can be considered invalid and the person deported. The system can't work without that.

It's like housing. For a housing system to work, evictions must be possible. In cases such as non-payment of rent / mortgage, damaged caused to property, anti social behavior or crime in a property.

Same with security. To have public security we must punish and deter crime.

We need to wake up a bit that way. Systems only work when non conformance to the system is penalised. It can't work otherwise. What we're doing right now with the IPA process is like playing a game of soccer without any referee. We're trusting the players to abide by the rules without any enforcement. It won't end well unless we change.

I agree, IPAs are not prisoners. But re-read your quote from our constitution 'save in accordance with law'. What laws should we have in place to protect the general population from unvetted immigrants? What is the lesser of two evils here? Detaining IPAs until their background and veracity of IPA claim can be established? Or leaving IPAs who are unvetted out into the public. Also, I didn't specify anything about indefinite detention. It should be of definite duration by way of a speedy IPA processing system. That would go a long way to deterring anyone from destroying their documents in transit.

As for the supreme court decision, that was ill advised. I can't think of a single country I can travel to right now where I could work legally without having my background checked first. I work with a large multinational and travel a bit for work and when outside of the EU I can't even enter a country without a Visa and background check being done first.

He was where the work WAS for a short while, after that he worked his lad, that bedded him and his family in for the long run for collect benefit💶💶💶 for make glorious mansion in Romania... Very nice I like Irish peeple