Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

riddles

If we wanted to take a pause on this thread and just reflect a few short years back on what the government thought it could realistically do to support Syrians displaced by the war there.

In December 2019, Ireland committed to welcoming up to 2,900 refugees from 2020 to 2023

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ede36-irish-refugee-protection-programme/

The level of collective insanity by mainstream politicians and media alike and paid promotion of mass migration has been astonishing when you engage in even a modicum of reflection between then and now.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152116#Comment_122152116

Rotherham then, not Rochdale.

Absolutely disgusting.

I hope people don't judge Irish men in general on the basis of immigrant abuse networks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-catholic-culture-to-blame-for-pedophilia-scandal-says-new-york-times-writer-78245332-237673021.amp

star61

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151892#Comment_122151892

population of Ireland including Northern Ireland is just over 7 million so we are certainly getting there.
what happens when we hit the 8 million mark? Are we full then ?

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152220#Comment_122152220

The sad part about it is nearly all our elected politicans ,our media & our NGO's have gone out of there way supporting this lunacy of quote Derek Blighe 'planting our communities for which our ancesters faught for nationalism for 800 years .Sinn Fein ,Fianna Fail .Fianna Gael ,Labour shame on the whole lot of ye .There are 5 or 6 posters here at the same intend to dictate their idiotic idealism but I can not wait until June 7th to give them crooks a good kicking!!!

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151593#Comment_122151593

I don't mean to single you out for questions but another question. Which ethnic / religious group made Sweden the rape capital of Europe. Here's a hint it wasn't Scandinavians.

marty whelan

Lol, you literally have no idea what you're talking about. You make statements based on no knowledge whatsoever. Of course asylum seekers are not asked this, it's idiotic to think so.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152255#Comment_122152255

Have you any reputable source to show that Sweden is 'the rape capital of Europe'.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151630#Comment_122151630

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151291#Comment_122151291

Women should be afraid, the bogus asylum seekers we are receiving now are 5 times more likely to be rapists than the general population

"we find there are 565,902 foreign-born people living in Sweden who were born in North Africa and the Middle East, representing 4.9% of Sweden’s population. Yet 16.4% of those convicted of rape and attempted rape are foreign-born individuals from North Africa and the Middle East: over-representation by a factor of 3.3. And that figure rises to 4.7 when you consider all foreign-born citizens from Africa (excluding North Africa.)

Citatuon

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20961790.2020.1868681

marty whelan

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country here's one link anyway, google is your friend.

Spanish Eyes

I think it would be great if a group (citizens) living in the boxrooms of the land, unable to rent due to cost, on housing lists, unable to get a deposit together etc. etc. squatted in places like Kippure. So if modulars are eventually put in place elsewhere, instead of protesting against them, they could be occupied by the above cohort.

Be interesting to see if they would be evicted in favour of AS arrivals.

Of course some are going to challenge me by saying - ah so the tents are ok for AS but not modulars? Well…. in fairness the message coming out from the reduction in benefits and other stuff recently is "deterrent" so it doesn't seem that daft to me.

ooter

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/18/refugees-remaining-in-direct-provision-after-being-allowed-stay-in-ireland-could-be-charged-rent/ ..

davepatr07

That can't be right... having talked to a lot of people out there this Gov has been a walking disaster... If this is true, remember Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results..

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/05/18/big-parties-set-to-win-seats-in-each-of-three-european-parliament-constituencies/

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152273#Comment_122152273

Sweden does have much higher rape stats but partly because of their definition of rape which includes acts that would be considered low level indecent assault in Ireland. They also include marital rape.

However, having said that, most rapes in Sweden take place within their immigrant community and involve young men of that community assaulting teenage girls in that community.

So the perception that migrant males are raping Swedish women in their thousands is not correct but that there is a major issue with sexual violence in the immigrant community itself is definitely true.

Now, is that something we want to see imported into our society? That kind of subculture?

Mass immigration, as opposed to our traditional model of moderate and small scale immigration which has been largely successful, will change the landscape of Ireland forever, both literally and figuratively.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150028#Comment_122150028

There were 243 Asylum applications in 2022 out of over 13,000. Do you have any link.dtsting that many applying for asylum in Ireland are now from Pakistan?

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152311#Comment_122152311

Maybe you just need to accept that the majority of Irish people don't hate all foreigners?

GetupyeaBowsie

Apparently, there was no planning permission or green-light giving towards the ordered 18 modular homes to Coole from the North!

https://www.midlands103.com/news/midlands-news/up-to-18-modular-homes-delivered-to-westmeath-village-overnight/

The Minister for Enterprise Peter Burke arrived on the scene at 1pm
after holding talks with Westmeath County Council. Mr Burke, a local
Fine Gael TD, said the Government had no involvement in installing
modular homes at Coole for asylum seekers.

”The Government is in no way facilitating this and there is no
contract for international protection applicants in the area,” he said.
”Westmeath County Council has issued an enforcement order to the
developer in relation to the work that has been in progress here over
the last few weeks.”

Mr Burke said it was “inappropriate” how the community in Coole was
treated. ”We already have 100 international protection applicants here,
100 vulnerable human beings,” he said. ”This is a small village and it
is under extreme pressure, we have to be honest with that, and it is
doing more than its part in terms of accommodating international
protection applicants.”

Pure and simple greed, this whole mess is facilitated by the few making a huge fortune. How the usual posters continue to defend the living daylight out of this without accepting it's basically a scam to enrich the few are either enriched by the cluster **** in one way or another..

ooter

Id say there was a nod and a wink somewhere in the background for that lad to have the audacity/confidence to try and install those modular homes on his land without permission. He wasn't doing it for the good of his health, they would've been filled one way or the other and paid handsomely.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152290#Comment_122152290

The only thing I see of relevance there is the warnings on trying to compare these types of crimes country by country.

Different countries have very different reporting rates and classifications, which of course can change over time.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152374#Comment_122152374

It's the criminality of 10's of thousands and the complicity of hundreds of thousands. Nobody from that community went to police or the media to put a stop to this and it could not have continued without their support.

This is a huge issue all throughout the Islamic world and has been brought to Europe now due to immmigration.

Just because you're willing to turn a blind eye to obvious issues within a religion and a community doesn't mean that the rest of us have to follow your failed ideology.

It seems to me that no matter what evidence there is you won't listen as it goes against your limited worldview.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152378#Comment_122152378

Yes, if there were no protests the modular homes would have been filled and the owner would have made vast profits. There very likely was a politician involved in the background as an advisor at the very least.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152311#Comment_122152311

probably the usual spin by the Irish Media ,very easy distort opinion polls the easiest trick in the book .

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152396#Comment_122152396

Are you talking about abuse by Irish immigrants here or Pakistanis?

One aspect of the British grooming cases that might have passed you by was the victims being from poor and dysfunctional families.

A cohort clearly deemed worthless by the UK police, influenced I've no doubt by years of demeaning and degrading rhetoric from the right wing around 'welfare scroungers' and 'council estate scumbags'

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152419#Comment_122152419

Yea it's all the indigenous fault that the immigrants are committing crimes.

Give me strength

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152280#Comment_122152280

I think you missed this part of the study you shared.

However, results should be interpreted with caution and avoid statements on causality as such statements could be misinterpreted and misused, particularly if contextual factors, such as socioeconomic status, marital status, psychiatric disorders and lack of integration are not taken into account. Lack of integration often includes poor language skills and being unemployed. There may also be other factors associated with our findings that have not been explored. For example, possible bias against immigrants at the policing and prosecution level is a factor that cannot be ignored.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152323#Comment_122152323

Until relatively recently, Irish society was quite 'rapey', it went on behind closed doors, in family homes.

Phat Cat

How lazy are you lefties?

Type 'rape capital of Europe' into Google and guess what comes up?

Swedish rape statistics. Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. (Wikipedia)

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152121#Comment_122152121

How we'll deal with that in Ireland is already pretty predictable.

First it'll be something like "NO ANECDOTES" on places where people might sound the alarm. Then it'll be some pretty authoritarian Hate Crime laws just to keep people nice and quiet.

I'm sure Irelands once very vocal feminists will be suspiciously unwilling to talk about Rape Culture anymore. Unless that talk is focused on the past or maybe the huge and urgent issue of men making jokes in private locker rooms.

The only option for normal people will be to just sit tight and hope that they and their families will not be among the unlucky victims.

ooter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152409#Comment_122152409

There was a prominent local politician mentioned in one of the videos on the coole concerns Facebook page yesterday but not going to name him, wouldn't surprise me at all if he had his fingers in this pie..

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152462#Comment_122152462

So by your logic, you would have dismissed worries about Irish immigrant priests moving to the US as xenophobia also?

davepatr07

@Augme

Did I say I hated foreigners?.. no.. you are making assumptions based on my post. So you think the current crowd are doing a good job then running the country? If I was an employer or business person and I hired someone to do a job and they couldn't do it why would I keep them on... if they are incompetent let them go.. simple as..some things can't be fixed keeping same people in there. Helen McEntee is one such person.