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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    All the polls exclude don't knows, won't vote and uncommitted.

    The reality is that all parties are on vote shares well below the stated percentage. Don't knows at this point are particularly important as if they are motivated by the migration issue, they will need to wait for a campaign to start before they can find an independent that matches their views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It was never a trade body. The original idea was that it would quickly evolve into a political union. Enhancing trade was seen a good way of bringing the people of Europe together and ensuring there wouldn't be a war in mainland Europe again. The chief aim was peace and political cooperation, not putting extra money into people's pockets.

    Our right wing English nationalist friends known as 'Brexiteers' completely misunderstand this and think they joined a mere free trade area in 1973 which subsequently changed (when in fact the British media in the 1975 referendum was full of discussion about the EEC already being a political union).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And there are many Irish citizens on housing lists or living with parents that could do with such accommodation.

    People need to wake up and ask themselves what makes Ireland as it is. What differentiates us from French, German, Morocco, Nigeria, Afghanistan, India, China etc etc. Do you really want to populate Ireland with all these varying cultures, languages, customs, religions and attitudes? How many, to what extent and at what cost? How do you propose to keep that innate sense of being Irish? Or does that not matter and we should just abandon it. Other countries are cottoning onto this and doing something about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭tarvis


    Ireland inc is mighty wasteFULL- gutting perfectly adequate homes for each new tenant. Paying huge rents with taxpayers money without a murmur. .. penny wise and pound foolish.

    The idea that destroying perfectly good tents and replacing them with new when they are very foldable and moveable by those who occupy them - no joined up thinking it seems. A useful saying from the past. - “Wilful waste means woeful want”



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    it’s 10km from O’Connell street, if they’d any interest or vision it could have been developed with bus corridors along with it. It would have serviced commutes to north county Dublin too. Fact is no hope any of the shower in government last twenty years care. They’ll care now then they aren’t voted in again, most sneaking off like rats.
    im so angry at how hard working tax payers are being treated and accused of being racist and far right.
    if it’s too far to have built houses on, it’ll be too far for the economic migrants, there won’t be wrap around services, they’ll all just hitch back to town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    The dereliction grant has failed IMO - it was successful in one thing though driving up costs for properties that meet the criteria, just like the HTB.

    Bang on with the rest though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭davepatr07


    Interesting that this is the same IT that had a poll back in Feb saying that majority would say yes in the referendum... wouldnt rely on that.. People can make their final decisions on polling day..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes, true. But the GE polls have generally been pretty accurate.

    Referendum polls, not so much.

    There are undecided voters however, as a previous poster pointed out. So all to play for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I remember around the time, Fergus Finlay said on the BOC show that he got a text every month to answer a few questions because he was on the polling panel with a certain company , there was I thinking these polls are made up of random picks…ah the innocence



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not sure anyone would have predicted Harris being as strong on implementing the asylum rules as he has been since taking office :



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Its all optics for election season

    I'd be very surprised if anyone gets deported



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Regarding your point on irish people needing housing too. That's fine. We can fix more than 1 problem at a time you know.

    Regarding your point about what makes the Irish Irish? I'd have said it's that we're sound. Which an awful lot of people seem to be losing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0515/1449419-asylum-applications/

    30K expected this year…extremely close to what the government’s goal on housing completions is

    This Influx isn’t going to slow down, so we’re only ever going to be treading water in our existing housing crisis, we’ll never catch up at this rate

    At what point are all the people getting high off their own supposedly virtuous farts gonna take their heads out of their arses are wake the **** up?

    It is not sustainable. We are never going to be capable of housing all these people. Is there no sense of reality here? Can guarantee most of the cheerleaders are all home owners sitting pretty - easy to act the virtuous one when there’s nothing to lose, meanwhile they prefer a bunch of randomers with no connection to the country over their nation’s youth when it comes to housing access. Despicable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Theres a difference between being sound and being a fool.

    But fools can rarely see it.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    i don’t understand why they don’t set up a task force to deal with this issue . Experts in logistics and people who know the problems and solutions . NOT NGO’s but a panel like they scrambled together when Covid threatened us .
    We dont need clueless TD’s and civil servants fumbling around with no experience of this kind of looming disaster

    Nor do we need NGO’s with skin in the game playing their games

    Come on for heavens sake get this done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭tom23


    Optics my dear boy. Optics.

    As soon as they are re-elected which I’m starting to think they will it will be business as usual.



  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl


    We shouldn't be welcoming this, backslapping Harris or seeing Fine Gael rise in the polls like all is forgiven. Handing out the plaudits.

    This is them doing the job they were entrusted to do. This is what should have been happening all along and **** right heads should roll for it.

    It took international shame and tent cities for it to happen. They couldn't care less about the people that elected them.

    McEntee should be sacked.



  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl


    They'll probably be put in a field somewhere until after the general election and as soon as that's over the big contracts will start up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭hello2020


    It's all about money n lucrative contracts for food n housing

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Agreed, these policies are far from sufficient in as far as effective deterrence is concerned, they are marginally less accommodating than the considerably accommodating policies adopted previously by the Government, that is all; that said, expect those opposed to a firm, functional, asylum system to discuss these policies as if they were a radical development.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 3,330 [Deleted User]


    It's meant to be the site of a badly needed new prison. You build a prison there, demolish Mountjoy and turn that into accommodation in a prime part of Dublin.

    If the government wants a big field to lash a load of tents into why not Slane Castle or Strabdally. The owners don't mind the land being turned to **** every year for a concert, they might be happy to take a cushy payment from government for a new tent city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Aren't they literally the things that the anti-immigration lobby have been calling for? It shouldn't really matter who is behind them (not unless all of the talk from Gript and Niall Boylan and the others was just posturing and point scoring and not really about seeking change to the system at all).

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭dmakc


    "It shouldn't matter who is behind them", yet you're quick to point out Wilders in the Dutch coalition's response to asylum seekers.

    The virtuous will play the man when it suits them.



  • Posts: 295 [Deleted User]


    If any semblance luxury is provided the country will be flooded. It's an inevitability, if we provide they will come. It appears to be an impossibility to remove these people so they will become a permanent fixture, the influx needs to be reduced to a minimum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    The policies are superficial and relatively ineffective as individual policies, in Green policy terms, they are as effective as an additional cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Well we all know what kind of wine the advocates are going for anyway

    ”Can you believe those little imbeciles actually expect to get houses in their own country ahead of asylum seekers?? They’re all racist probably”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Lofidelity


    You're way off Furze. In 2022 alone, 237,000 non Irish gained pps numbers. Some are on work contracts etc and not permanent but the majority are staying around. Work visas, student visas, family reunification etc, there's lots of ways to get a foot in the door.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    They just need to install a suitable Prime Minister who comes from outside the usual Dutch Political Establishment



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