Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

You keep asking people this when your own proposals somehow fix our problems by giving away citizenship and visas to IPA's and clamp down on the "far right".

But you see everything else as a bad idea…. the irony is clearly lost on you.

does she not realise that the more we build the more will come, we'll always be playing catchup

When far right racists get elected in this country it's the governments lax immigration policy that is at fault and all the needless goodies.

Why hand out medical cards to all who seek international protection/Ukrainians when they find employment. Why not do a means test?

Why continue the €800 a month ARP to Ukrainians even when they get employment?

This is killing the accommodation down the country for other citizens where landlords are opting for this tax free sweetener Why aren't they made to pay for their accommodation once employed? Likewise with international protection applicants?

Why aren't these loop holes closed? All it does is increase resentment for people who are living here all their lives and have paid alot of taxes.

"Any country that refuses to accept their own citizens back should be denied any aid or development funding from the EU." Efforts have been in place for approx 20 years to relate aid and funding to accepting deportations, to little success.

Without some drastic international changes I wouldn't expect we'll ever be able to deport any more than 15-20% of arrivals. This is based on our historical capabilities and the experiences of other countries, including those with hard or far-right governments.

I have some questions on your camp proposals, if you might answer them?

Will you provide heating in winter?

Will you house children in these camps?

If no, will you separate parents from children?

Would these camps be secured or can people come and go?

Can children in this system attend school?

Will medical aid be available?

How they respond to media criticism will be interesting, because I don't think aligning all Ukrainian welfare payments at the standard AS rate is an unpopular policy.

So if they backtrack you can deduce that they are more concerned by negative press from an out of touch media rather than doing something which wanted by the population.

I never proposed giving away citizenship and visas to IPAs.

I think we should prioritize applicants from countries in the global south for visas/permits. They'd would still have to meet job requirements and only for positions that aren't filled by Irish or EU applicants.

I think we should offer pathway to citizenship schemes for any suitable candidates in essential services such as healthcare and construction. This shouldn't be limited to IPAs.

Clamping down on the far-right is a no-brainer given the crimes, riots, intimidation etc we've seen in the last year or two.

Does anybody know why we have attracted so many UKR refugees?

Is it the language, English?

Is it the cash benefits?

Or something else?

Compare us to France:

i see from twitter its started to heat up down in Clonmel. Fencing going up around the 11 acre site that is rumoured (which means it probably is happening) to be used for pods.

Also, semi related to the journal article about the dodgy carry on at the city west centre. There was an incident in Newtownmountkennedy yesterday where a group of asylum seekers, kicked off and attacked the security at the new tented centre. Ambulance and gardai called and couple injured taken away.

Historically, our immigration policy has been to bury our heads in the sand or outright attempt to attract as many AS as possible so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that lamentable failure.

Covid showed that when an emergency rears its head, the Government can actually do basically anything it wants.

We should not aim for 15-20% but 100% of all economic migrants should be deported. No if's, buts or maybes.

Obviously there would be heating in winter. Very few children would have been able to cross 20 plus EU countries without a family unit so more or less a moot point. Any unaccompanied children would be better off in foster care or more secure accomodation. The numbers should be tiny for this group. No need to separate children unless there is evidence of child abuse which presumably would be rare.

I doubt they could be secured fully as that would be a detainment camp like Australia. Would need buses to and from i suppose.

Obviously, we need to fast track these decisions so school would be moot as we should be deciding within weeks.

Obviously medical aid would be available.

If it was the locals kicking off I'd imagine it would've been all over the media.

You should really go back and read your own posts.

As i said at the time and I will say it again, moving numbers from one column to another achieves nothing - even if it made any sense it wont stop the numbers coming, so your solution is not actually a solution.

Given you consider yourself the bastion of common sense, I would assume you would clamp down on both sides of the political extreme?

Its a derogatory phrase meant to demean and deride.

Just get over it!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/great_unwashed

Well thanks for answering my questions but it seems what you're proposing depends very much on a success rate on deportations no country has ever come close to achieving. I think it's fair then to dismiss it as pie in the sky.

When I talk about historical figures on deportations, I'm referring back to McDowells time as Justice minister. We only managed to effect about 20% of deportation orders then and a large proportion of these were to countries soon to join the EU.

Meloni's Italy only manages about 20% deportations to neighboring North African countries. Elsewhere the percentage drops to around 10%.

Mass deportations aren't going to happen, with or without 'No if's, buts or maybes'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/denied-asylum-but-not-deported-migrants-in-europe-live-in-limbo/2019/08/07/1b9f3082-a4ad-11e9-a767-d7ab84aef3e9_story.html

I think you might have jumped to an interpretation of my earlier posts, but I'm open to correction if you want to show me where I've said something else?

I'm all for clamping down on the far-left too. I'm just not aware of them being very active in this country. I'd suggest we need to adopt a US style 'domestic terrorist' approach to dealing with extremists trying to force government policy. To an extent that's there already in the offences against the state act, but needs modernization.