Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

What about a crowd funded legal challenge? Even if unsuccessful it could be a way to highlight to the world what we are up against and embarrass the government - also not as easy for the extremists (on either side) to hijack as a march.

I see where you are coming from, honestly I do.

But unless your solution to all this is some no borders communist utopia a firm line has to be drawn somewhere - I draw it at contributing to society/state or genuinely fleeing a conflict(and maybe I’d add to this only if there is no closer option to flee to) .

I personally don’t think there is any hypocrisy in calling out comparisons drawn against a legal migrant who legally(through correct channels) left to work in another country vs someone who illegally(through illegal channels or of their own accord) arrived in Ireland most likely after passing through 2-15 other safe countries on their way here for economic benefit, all the while clogging up a system created for people fleeing real war and real persecution.

Said this month's ago.

Once you audit Roderic O'Gormans department spending the whole charade comes to an end.

EU State aid, anti money laundering, tender due diligence... take your pick. This is what the NGO industry in Dublin fears the most.

Once it is dealt with we can start to get to grips on dealing with what's left.

Once again it takes media from outside the state to hit this on the nose

Well thats Kerry gone so -cant even go down for a weekend

That's not true and could very rapidly become our war. Ukraine is standing as a bulwark against Russian imperialism and making huge sacrifices in terms of it's population and infrastructure. So they do deserve appropriate measured support. Otherwise we could see the conflict developing into a wider European war. That's how wars develop and change. And if it does, you and I will be like pawns.

So we do need to offer shelter to genuine war refugees on the same basis as other EU states and always on the understanding that they return when the conflict has calmed and rebuild their own state. We shouldn't offer refugee status to those who are not genuine war refugees, both from unaffected parts and those required back in Ukraine.

Like everything, no black & white, all is nuanced.

Kippure estate. It's all being done in secret. They have heavy duty security staff, no phones, cameras allowed on site. Local protest signs were removed overnight.

I still think you don't understand what I've posted.

Nobody is arriving in Australia illegally without being immediately put in detention.

All of what they call Asylum seekers have already gotten a visa normally a student one.

10 billion AUD is about 6bn Euro and that is over ten years so 600 million euro a year to end illegal immigration.

I think most Irish people would take that in a heartbeat seeing as we spent several billion last year alone on illegal immigrants.

Someone should bring a drone down and have a look from above.

Peter Burke on radio at the moment saying we can't have a situation where one group of Ukrainians are getting more than another group of Ukrainians, I was waiting for Claire to ask why not continue to pay them all the same amount so but she never did.

One group of Irish receiving some form of SW get a different amount to other groups depending on circumstances, where is the difference? These people are so full of $hit

I've been reading online this morning about this. How the Ukrainians, in state accommodation, all supports given, are being hit the hardest because we are cutting their €232 PW....wtf?

I hope the government won't backtrack on this decision now, as we know they tend to do when certain pressures kick in.

There have already been changes in policy.

So far the results are tent encampments and less Gardai to deal with serious crime.

You'll need to be a bit more specific on what you propose to do, how it can be implemented in Ireland, and what the outcomes will be.

Well, unfortunately I am not the Minister for Justice with access to thousands of staff and advisors so not my job to come up with specific policies.

The tent encampments are a necessary evil because if every AS was provided a warm and secure apartment or house we would be innundated with thousands more within weeks from all parts of Europe.

All would agree that it is inhumane to spend years deliberating on these Asylum applications so speeding that up should be the priority.

A large military style camp in the countryside would be a cheap and suitable accomodation that would reduce conflict with local communities as very few want to live next to AS. This would also help with keeping track of who is where within the country.

Lastly, once Asylum is rejected, we need to fight back against the NGO's and the countries from where the AS leave from to ensure that they can be deported.

Any country that refuses to accept their own citizens back should be denied any aid or development funding from the EU.

I think that will work wonders for getting deportations done. We will need to be deporting 10s of thousands p.a for a while until the word gets out that Ireland is not a soft touch any longer.

You might want to find some references to back up those claims. From what I can see only about 20% were deported or returned to country of origin.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/2/

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/18/western-australia-boat-arrivals-what-are-the-current-laws-and-policies-on-asylum-seekers#:~:text=Verdict,detention%20and%20third%2Dcountry%20resettlement.

The above article is quite informative especially this quote.

But these only applied for asylum seekers who arrived by boat before 19 July 2013, and so belong to a different cohort, who were not sent offshore. Since 19 July 2013, both Labor and Coalition agree that asylum seekers who arrive by boat to claim protection will never resettle in Australia.

(Asylum seekers who arrive by plane are able to apply for permanent protection visas.)