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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Some serious amount of equipment too,

    Twitter is full of gruesome videos too, including pictures of dead Russians underneath broken tank threads of their own tanks

    And now this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Then that would be the choice of the Ukrainian people.

    Unsurprisingly, your view of how a country's 'subjects' should be treated in the context of war is loudly echoed in Russia today where tens of thousands of young lads who should've been in university but instead were conscripted and thrown into war with no experience are now lying dead in fields in Ukraine.

    Still, we'll all sit back and let the internet experts, full of bravery behind a keyboard, on an island in the Atlantic, with qualifications and PHDs coming out their ears, tell us how it all should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Putin has shuffle at the top ..

    Dara Massicot is a Senior Fellow at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Russia and Eurasia Program, focusing on defense issues in Russia.

    Belousov has no military experience at all or background in the military. He’s an economist. This will raise questions within the military who will fear a repeat of serdyukov. So I anticipate some unformed officer favorites appointed to leadership positions to balance this. /3

    Normally I’d say that Gerasimov will be replaced soon, but he is the overall commander of the war. I still think he will be replaced, which is typical. Peskov said he will stay, no decisions to change have been made “yet”. So an (unintentional) indicator of change /4

    Is Belousov a multi-year defense minister? My gut reaction (that I will keep updating ), I would say no. This looks like a move shorter in duration that will be followed by house cleaning: of deputy defense ministers, some organizational changes, and auditing. / 5

    I have to note that a person with this kind of financial background and with *no organizational ties or priors* is helpful for making major changes to the Defense economy to reconstitute the force post war. /6

    In sum— Shoigu gets a respectable way out, the new defense minister will probably make organizational changes, too soon to tell if he’s a placeholder for a post war minister, and watch Gerasimov. /7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    They walked in alright

    Just didn’t walk back out

    BTW why are Russians mostly on foot (or golf buggys and motorbikes) these days? What happened to “endless” tanks and infantry vehicles were told about??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭zv2


    Think of what Ukraine could do if they had ammo.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    You come to this conclusion based on what? Obviously not the numbers who have already returned, more likely the same uninformed personal biases that presumably had you 'censured' on here before? "in practice they'll do their damndest not to and we'll be stuck with them"… classic case of mask slipping right there. At least we know your faux-concern for the plight of Ukrainians who remained was just that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    'volunteers'… can the mask slip any further?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    For anyone who didn't watch Eurovision this year Ukraine's entry is worth watching. It was raw emotion and quite beautiful. I believe the competition isn't meant to be political so I'm not sure how they slipped the staging of this past the EBU - it's not exactly subtle what they're depicting here. Specifically it's an homage to the women of Ukraine under the dire circumstances of what they have been going through in recent years:

    It ended up coming third (despite being given one of the worst positions in the running order in the final on Saturday night)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Deub


    The OP asked what would happen to the Ukrainians that left if they were to return to Ukraine.

    You reply was : “I've been censured here for previously expressing this question.”

    You never asked that question. You want Ukrainians in Ireland to be sent back against their will by the Irish state. How is it the same question?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,077 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    what has qualifications and PHDs got to do with anything? 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well , it looks like you were right. Shoigu was removed as defense minister. Corruption Is ok as long as it benefits Vladimir long term. That was Shoigu's mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Aaaaaaah there is a quaint, antiquated term, a penal colony! Haven’t heard it in such a long time! Can wholeheartedly recommend Franz Kafka’s short story “In the Penal Colony”, a treasure to savour for all lovers of tragicomic absurdism (which includes readers and posters on this thread as a matter of course).

    P.S. Caution though, it does get a bit gory (the short story, I mean).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "Then that would be the choice of the Ukrainian people."

    A "choice" ? To leave one's country when the neighbour invades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Isn't that what the Ukrainian authorities want? Closing overseas consular services to those of service age, obliging them to return to Ukraine. I'm all for supporting Ukraine in any way we can during this emergency. Are you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    There's a massive difference between "Obliging someone to return" and requesting that a third party country forcibly returns someone against their will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    I think someone said it well higher up, it’s an issue for Ukraine and Ukrainians to resolve and resolve it will

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they also copy Russians this year and start hiring from third world countries paying 1000-2000$ a month for service


    Quick back of napkin calculation shows for 1.8 billion a year (Ukraine gonna get double this from seized Russian assets yearly interest alone) they can maintain 100k mercenaries

    I suspect the issue right now is not manpower but equipment and ammo. What good are more soldiers if they don’t have training and equipment (just look at what’s happening to Russians being fed into meatgrinder without equipment and training) especially if ontop of payment citizenship to what soon is to be an eu country is offered

    BTW the above could also solve Europes young male migrant problems that is causing such controversy across Europe (just look at parallel thread here) There is potential to solve two problems in one go for Europe and Ukraine

    But once again equipment and ammo seems the highest priority followed by air defences and EW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Horrible to see these Russian gains. Easily preventable if not for ridiculously cowardly western leadership the last year or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What if they let the Russians into Kharkiv after it's turned into a fortress and killing zone? A Stailingrad to trap the Russians in door to door fighting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,537 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Another man who will be trying his best to stay away from windows for the next while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭zv2


    Don't tell me he threw a bottle of vodka at the drone…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Different, yes, but you can get to an interesting philosophical question there when you start talking about national interest for both countries. What would happen if, for example, not only did Ukraine actually ask for Ireland to return the personnel, but backed it up by stating that Ireland would be deprioritised in trade deals compared to other nations in the future? Right now, the aid Ireland is providing towards winning the conflict is as near to zero as makes little difference, so Ukraine has little to lose in that context. The people Ireland is hosting are probably more valuable to Ukraine than anything else Ireland can provide, unless Ireland decides to hand over a bunch of its (surprisingly large) anti tank weapons holdings. Ireland provides sanctuary to Ukrainians so that they aren't refugees (or even just displaced people who are still able to work) in Ukraine but over 500km from the conflict zone. When there was a serious fear that Ukraine would be overrun, accepting all the refugees was understandable, necessarily done in a hurry with little refinement and appreciated by Ukraine. But even without any threats or unpleasantness, is it still in Ireland's interest to host Ukrainians even when Ukraine doesn't need (or want) them to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You are talking about ukraine so those are not rumours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    There were discussions of various recruitment efforts in Latin America. These would be incorporated into Ukraine's Foreign legion. Difficult to get any information given the secrecy and the level of disinformation floating around.

    As regards the migrants, imagine morale would be an issue to be bluntly cold about it. Various NGO groups would have a melt down over it. Also would play into the Russian propaganda effort.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I doubt the citizens of Kharkhiv would appreciate it. Look at how many civilians are killed in the relatively uneven battle for Groznyy. If people think that 30,000 is a lot of civilian casualties in Gaza over six months, they'll be in for an eye opener .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That was a Czech graft. They promised million of shells if they collect enough of donations. Just a move for empty insignificant suits to get their 5 minutes of fame and some little money on the side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There's a dirty element to all this and I see it mentioned in Europe too.

    Henceforth anyway. There'd be no luck in expelling people fleeing their own country from invasion while people from the invading country can walk around trouble free. If any Ukrainian be expected to go back and fight. Then any Russian should also be expected to leave and fight for Ukraine.

    And all this because we don't actually want western soldiers in Ukraine.

    We'd have RT presenters howling for western soldiers to go to Ukraine just so their sons can stay in London or Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    They can melt all they want and Russian propaganda already insist anyone but Ukrainians are fighting them as they are at war with NATO yada yada and it’s difficult for them to admit that so many of them are being killed by mere Ukrainians.

    There are plenty of positions in a modern military that don’t require being at the front line, tip of the spear sort of speak, I am sure plenty of help needed for example in logistics and repair.

    Being paid (and other benefits) and getting citizenship is not too different to what already happens for example in US military (where service is a well trodden path to citizenship) I am fairly sure that would be a more attractive option than being sent back to your country or … Rwanda

    But anyways none of that matters without bullets and ammo and training



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