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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    New contract for Brian Deeny.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Should be a big uptick in game time for him and COT next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Paddy McCarthy being promoted to a senior deal after just one year in the academy is interesting. Leinster generally don't do that unless they see something very promising and want to lock you down early.

    Had an excellent u20's campaign and looks to have that physicality and athleticism which sets his brother apart from many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭VayNiice


    I wouldn't say it's the same in NZ from my experience.

    I was involved with the equivalent of senior cup rugby in one of the largest private schools in Wellington (almost 2000 students). It was nowhere near the set up in the likes of Blackrock or Michael's. The general school facilities were amazing but from a rugby point of view it was all fairly basic.

    There was a huge emphasis put on soccer which I was surprised at initially.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ed Byrne signs for Cardiff. Best of luck to him. Great servant to Leinster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Leinster only getting allocated 2,950 tickets for the final, which is bloody ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭El Vino


    My son played rugby in school in London and we played some of the top schools in the South East of the UK so I got to see some of the facilities first hand, Wellington, Dulwich College, Hampton and Harrow really stood out especially Wellington. One day we were there for a game and their senior XV were playing a Blackrock touring side, 18 all draw if I remember. Never seen Blackrock or Michaels facilities but if they are better than this they must be amazing. James Haskell I think is the last rugby international that went there. I know from experience that they all take scholarship boys from state schools - Ijoje and Billy V went to Harrow this way.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,929 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Great singing for Cardiff

    More power to himr



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭conquestscarer


    The advantage to me seems to be they're playing rugby in Michaels and Blackrock in primary school. It means to get into the team you need to have a base level of skills from the very start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭VayNiice


    Just for clarity, it's Wellington in New Zealand I'm referring to.

    I'd say the school facilities in these English private schools must be amazing. I suppose the level of wealth in these schools is on another level to Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭El Vino


    No worries, I got that, name is a coincidence. I was really just pointing out other countries have amazing facilities but don't seem to churn out the same quantity of players Michaels & Blackrock do.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    Because you’re overlooking the fact that these young players Leinster are recruiting are lads who are from Leinster and who grew up wanting to play for Leinster.

    If it was the case that Leinster were hoovering up the best underage talent from the other provinces then I’d say fair enough you’ve a reasonable point but that isn’t the case here at all.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its the opposite. If all you had to do was 'lay down a plan' then they'd be at leinster. Leinster can't offer more money, so they aren't.

    It comes down to money. If you can't offer more guys won't move. Especially as ireland selection is increasingly decoupled from being a 'starter'.

    Obviously that's an advantage to Leinster as they have more talent in province.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    oh no! The pundits will be calling for a forced extraction move to ....



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    No, it’s not just money. It’s because equally lads like Scott Wilson, Brian Gleeson and Matthew Devine are growing up dreaming of playing for Ulster/Munster/Connacht etc too, just like the young lads in Leinster.

    How much money would you honestly be proposing is on offer here? These lads are at the start of their pro careers. They back themselves that they’ll make it, and they aren’t going to have their head turned for an extra €5k or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Everybody can have access. Treacy at Connacht. Brigg at Ulster. Michel at Connacht, DeClerk and Berman possibly. The boys are there. Provinces need to make an offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Yea! No private Scholls around London!



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its not JUST money, but its a massive factor on why you don't see more moves. Like are you actually denying that? What a ridiculous argument.

    How much money?

    I'd say Munster and Ulster would have been willing to go quite a bit higher than whatever Boyle and Prendergast are getting just because of their needs at those positions.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    never ending this.

    predictions for tomorrow: Milne, Frawley, Harry B.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll believe DeKlerk and Berman when its announced. Not saying its not true but you never know. Sometimes these are floated to get leinster to offer.

    I don't believe any of them on that list had a leinster offer but who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭conquestscarer


    At some point though if you have enough squat racks/dumbbells/basic machines, your returns are diminishing by introducing "better equipment". Its the basics that make a pro athlete, good nutrition, good sleep, good exercise, great genetics. If you have all 4 and train well you will get a chance of going pro.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    Well not that much higher obviously - they could have offered them full contracts if they wanted to (and we know those initial contracts are relatively small money) but they didn’t feel the need to do that.

    The thing is - guys like Prendergast and Boyle are on Leinster’s radar from before the age of 15 probably, and have player development officers talking to them etc from that juncture. They’re both elite talents who will back themselves to make the grade wherever they go, so they’re going to go to where they think they’ve the best prospect for development and for the province they grew up supporting and wanting to play for.

    Can’t remotely see how that surprising or a difficult concept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Has Milne signed? What about Deeny?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant




  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why do you think Prendergast was on a senior deal when he was? Other provinces probably offered him.

    Of course, players want to play for their home province. You keep saying that like its not something i said. And they will go to their home province unless other provinces can tip the balance to get them. And that thing is MONEY.

    Money, money, money. How many times can i say that before you acknowledge that the thing that makes the world go round could influence **** career choices? Jesus christ.

    If after one year in the academy, Ulster could say to Prendergast, hey we'll offer you double the senior deal they are offering. We need a long term ten and we will deal with the growing pains. We don't have one in the pipeline or in the senior squad and we are desperate.

    Would that influence his decision? Would leinster have to up their offer? Would how much they pay influence how much they pay other players?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Now some are saying that Deegan is an uderachiever. Why? He wants to stay at Leinster, obviously. I'm delighted he's staying. I can't get this mindset that he's not mentally tough enough to play for Ulster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    How much money do you actually think is feasible to tempt an academy player to another province. Bearing in mind that they're more or less on minimum wage.

    Realistically a province could only offer a marginal increase otherwise they'd be massively overpaying on an unproven talent.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    So your grand theory about the “in built IRFU protection” that Leinster benefit from is the inability of the other provinces to get into bidding wars for teenagers?

    You really think that would be a good outcome for Irish rugby, and if not, that the reason the IRFU do not permit this is because of solid, structural reasons for the benefit of Irish rugby?

    Sam Prendergast doesn’t want to go to Ulster to be their long term 10 because he believes he’ll be the Leinster long term 10. Plain and simple.

    If the provinces could free for all outbid each other for talent, wouldn’t that suit Leinster best of all? As the wealthiest province who generate lots of cash, wouldn’t they disproportionately benefit from such an (incredibly ill-advised) model?



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who said it would be a good outcome for irish rugby?

    I just said its a clear advantage for Leinster, which it obviously is.

    I don't think it would benefit Leinster most of all because they have alot more talent judging from ireland selection. But it would be interesting. Especially in the longer term as free bidding would probably make central contracts more evenly distributed.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depends on the player and the need. Especially if they are potentially central contract talents.

    I'd say the biggest disparity is the first senior deal. Some guys you just know coming out of the academy.



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