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Do you see the NCT as an inconvenience?

  • 05-05-2024 12:15am
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    Registered Users Posts: 6 Vavavοοm


    Had my NCT today and passed with flying colours - because I look after my car. No marks or visuals.

    Last year I got a visual on a brake light (I have a tupperware with spare bulbs in my boot) I replaced it there and then and received my cert.

    I have never failed and NCT and religiously service my car and keep my tyres perfect etc. My car is 16 years old.

    Is the NCT not a nuisance and superfluous for people who already keep their cars up to scratch? Leave enforcement of bulbs up to Gardaí.

    A bulb can blow on the way to the centre or even on the way out after getting your pass.

    I’ve seen one or two people occasionally getting abusive with the testers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Yes for people who keep.their car right, it doesn't serve a purpose really. But for the 90 percent of car owners who don't properly look after their cars, it serves a useful purpose.

    Too many don't even look at the their tyres other than nct time so.that alone is saving lives.

    It also takes a number of death traps permanently off the road every year whether it be due to brakes, suspension, rust etc.

    In short, if.you.keep.your car right, it's a couple of hours out of your year. No big deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭goochy


    Laws are brought in for the people who don't do what they are supposed to do .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The concept is good, the execution is very poor.

    It's a nuisance in its current form where the waiting time is up to 6 months, considering you can only book 3 months in advnace and it's illegal to drive without it. Bare in mind they were already in trouble back in 2019 when the ramps were unsafe and they were doing "partial tests"

    The 55 euro charge for a mandatory test is also steep, seeing as there's no more than 15 mins work per car. The NCT shouldn't be used as a profit making exercise (even though I know the current shower aren't even making a profit)

    Finally the test method itself is poor, and I could pick apart the many reasons why limits don't make sense. The test doesn't "prove" anything. There are many ways to put an unsafe car through the test, and even the nonsense you hear of people temporarily fitting someone's good tires to the car, or people who fail on a blown bulb swap in the bulb on the other side.

    I also think it's made cars more disposable. Plenty of good, safe cars failed the NCT on some arbitrary issue, and the owners scrapped them instead of fixing them since few will buy a car out of NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    The wait time is now well under a month. I booked a test during April for mid May, there were a handful of slots in the 3 weeks after when I was doing the booking. Once you got a few weeks out there was a wide choice of slots.

    Even when the ncts site was showing no availability for six months you could fill out a form to go on the priority list and get a test date in the next four weeks.

    You can book whatever number of months in advance you like. You just need to ensure your test date is within 90 days prior to your renewal date to avoid resetting your certificate date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    On the wait time, I bought a car at auction on 9th April, got it home, checked & fully NCT'd less than 2 weeks after it landed at my door.

    I do not really think the test times are always as bad as made out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I always thought the NCT testing was fairly thorough until I came across this subframe on a relatives car, the car passed the test last November and the rear wheels were falling off it in March



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 colm reilly


    Agreed what has been said by above posters ,but i think it time to take contract away from this lot and let garages [main dealer and indie ] do the tests ,While were at it does any folk know off how many new tecticnians coming into the business of servising all the elcty yokes on the road .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    I can not agree with this, the MOT in the UK is still subject to massive abuse due to being carried out by garages, the same would happen here.

    Imagine the scenario where the place that could sell you brakes, tyres etc do your test, huge scope for upselling, or if you are already a customer there is a issue of a conflict of interest, ignore an issue because they will get you on the service next time.

    No thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I booked an NCT on the Monday bank holiday after Paddy's day for the Thursday of the next week for my mother.

    It wasn't the closest centre to me but it was under 30 mins away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    I moved here from the UK 20 years ago, so used to the MOT system. Being independent of garages makes the NCT system have much more integrity.

    I booked my NCT on-line a couple of weeks ago on the Tuesday and got a slot 2 days later - early in the morning is a good time to recheck availability.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,059 ✭✭✭kirving


    No way should garages or main dealers be allowed to do it.

    Plenty of places, not all it must be said, already quote and suggest totally unnecessary work - and you'd then be legally required to have it done. No way.

    And on the other hand, I personally know someone who had their UK car MOT'd by a garage who had never seen the car. Payment on Revolut and a few pictures of the VIN.

    The best part about the NCT is that it independent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    The NCT is a bit of an inconvenience but I think it represents fairly good value for money, especially in the current climate and it gives a good snapshot in time of the current state of your vehicle. We have an 18 year old vehicle in our household and each year it passes its NCT is cause for celebration. No way I'd like to see the testing go in the hands of garages, while I trust my own independent garage I've had poor experiences in the past with others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What center



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Nct is better than nothing. But really has been a shambles how it's being managed..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    When I had to do a light they checked both sides to make sure I didn't just swap them. Same for when I was missing a nut on a tyre. They checked all tyres to make sure I didn't take it off.

    And if someone is taking the good tyres from a friend's car and swapping them back after the test. That is not the NCTs fault, that means they are a chancer and willing to put lives at risk to by driving in a car with worn tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Just go to the website and check your nearest ones. I checked Deansgrange a few weeks ago for my Mother's car and there was a test the next day with lots of slots available over the next few weeks, plenty of times available at the other test centres that they showed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    That must be very rare really though. Big effort to have a car available with same wheels and tyre setup, remove 8 wheels or tyres depending on what matches, either leave 1 car jacked up and refit 4 tyres (or refit 8 tyres), do the test, and then reverse the process.

    Either with the help of a tyre centre most of whom would tell you to FXXX OFF or a DIY job

    Id say it is massively rare to do this instead of just getting new tyres. But nothing surprises me I'm sure some tight wads would do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Most of the Jap imports have a spare set of wheels fitted for the test and they get swapped back over afterwards to use on the next car because usually the tyres don’t have E Marks. They are usually good brands like Dunlop Michelin or Pirelli with perfect thread but will still fail. There are very few dealers actually replacing these tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭blackbox


    It's an inconvenience, but a worthwhile one. I am old enough to remember the state of cars before it's introduction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Was going to say that, I was young but the nct took a lot of horribly maintained cars off the road and forces the average driver to make some attempt at maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Things have changed so. Last year it was impossible to a get a slot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    This year my car (Toyota CH-R hybrid) is due its NCT July. It had 3 years free servicing, but that benefit had run out. I’m disabled and now find limes of NCT an extra chore, eg doing the little things I used to to help it pass I can no longer do. Trade-in value is good with Toyota hybrids so I decided in doing that and skip the NCT issue. But overall I approve of the concept of car checks as the number of defective bangers on the road used to be a major hazard to the safety of all and sundry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I just send mine in and if it fails i get it fixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    It was never impossible. People were just lazy/misinformed. If you requested to be put on the cancellation list you would get a test date within a few weeks. It was repeated over and over on the main NCT thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not big on hyperbole are we...

    Took me 4 weeks on the cancellation list last year. Been using the cancellation list for years. One of our cars getting it's first NCT this week. That was one of the first bookings in years I've not done through the cancellation list

    It's been torture for years getting slots. Last year or so they've been reserving the vast majority of slots for the cancellation list. It's has become the main list.

    They they had to do this, and all the tricks people did for years, doing it at night, early morning, multiple attempts to find slots, not using your closest center etc. All point to a mismanaged system.

    Lazy lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Yeah same. Car gets regular serviced on schedule regardless of NCT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Yes, lazy.

    People driving around with their NCT 8 months out of date because they couldn’t bother their arse to try get a sooner NCT date. They just booked a test months into the future and left it at that, and then complain at the NCT centre that they only got a 4 month certificate😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Jonathan2712


    I lived in the UK for 30+ year and that's exactly what happens. No matter how well kept your car is, the MOT guys will always find something to recommend that you get done. Quickly the £35 MOT becomes a few hundred in recommended repairs. Also pretty much every town has at least one place where if you pay a little extra in cash, the car will defiantly pass the MOT!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well if it's not enforced that reflects badly on the Garda and the state.

    For decades they've had problems with resourcing and scheduling tests. If they're finally getting on top of it it's about b time.

    I dunno why someone would imply there's never been problems with waiting lists. They were fined last year for it.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nct-operator-applus-is-handed-3m-fine-for-failing-to-clear-long-testing-backlog/a1968263183.html#:~:text=The%20operator%20of%20the%20NCT,reduce%20waiting%20times%20for%20tests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    No NCT/MOT equivalent in a lot of states in the US I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    I’ve bought plenty of UK cars with advisory free MOT’s. And I’ve done dozens of checks on cars that have advisory free MOT’s. So basically what your saying is that every single one of them was because of a bribe to the MOT tester. Obviously not true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Probably they all came from Carlsberg sponsored garages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭csirl


    The annual check for 10 year old cars is too often. Most 10year old cars that are regularly serviced/repaired are just as safe as new cars. Its not the 1970s when cars rusted away after a few years. It should be two years for all cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Interesting idea moving to 2 years. I guess the counter argument is people who don't maintain cars well have longer not to maintain them. Also it moves people to get newer cars more often. Which is good for safety but bad for consumerism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I used to dread the NCT when I ran old bangers, but now see them as a great opportunity to catch things I might have missed. There were plenty of real deathtraps before the NCT and it's great to see them driven off the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Some states abolished mandatory testing and cover it with higher insurance premiums. I've seen some amount of rust buckets in Michigan where the roads are poor and salted in winter, and public transport is non existent outside of cities (though same could be said for Ireland except for salt)

    There's an argument to be made that less than 2% of accidents occur because of mechanical failure.

    If the state put the same amount of resources into recurring 5 or 10 year driving tests we might move the needle on road deaths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I tend to send it in and if it fails i just hand the garage the sheet and ask them to make it passable. If it passes i send it up to them for a usual service. It's not rocket science really. I find it's very hit and miss though i sent a renault scenic to get NCT'd years ago with a massive big rust hole in the exhaust system knowing it would fail and i'd get it replaced but just wanted any other issues flagged before i sold it but it passed first time without them noticing it. The car i have now had a "major fail" on a blown rear licence plate bulb last time out go figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Here in France, it's every 2 years for cars of any age over 4yo, and test centres are independent of local garages/mechanics. A CT (no N here!) of less than 6-months is obligatory for car sold for further on-road use, which doesn't seem to have dampened either secondhand or new car sales.

    In the 20 years I've been living here, the test has become ever more rigorous, but my 20-year-old vehicles are still getting through, albeit with a few more fix-it faults than before. An earlier poster made reference to the NCT being a 15-minute test - that's quick! Ours now run to about 45 minutes for the full test, maybe only 15 for a re-test.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I wonder at this stage should the emissions part of the test be scrapped? That could speed things up a bit and is not really safety related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    tis certainly a pain in the hole, but a necessary pain in the hole, cause humans are humans, some of us will look after our vehicles well, and some of us simply dont, im somewhat the latter, ive no shame as i know, this is normal human behavior, its normal for humans to let things slide, it really is….

    …but having it opens the door for other normal human behavior such as corruption and other questionable behaviors from both operators and customers….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Einstein


    One experience really annoyed me a couple years ago. I take pride in my car and look after it very well, but I had my car in for its NCT and as I watched it go through the different stations through the waiting room window, the tester reversed my car out and parked it again in the waiting area after only progressing through a handful of stations. It sat there for another 10/15 mins and eventually entered a new lane. At the end he apologised for the delay, that one of the machines weren't working correctly, but said that "Every Cloud has a silver lining". Apparently the focus of my lights failed on the first lane, but when he re-inspected on the second lane they passed.

    How many people failed because of an incorrectly calibrated machine….or how many people passed because of an incorrectly calibrated machine.

    It pissed me off before that, but really have no time for it since then.

    Absolute shambles of a system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,113 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    MOTs were always open to abuse in the UK. I remember a garage in Warwick where batches of blank MOT certs were "stolen" during at least two break-ins. The garage was warned that if any were any "stolen" in future they would lose their MOT testing status. I don't think they had any break-ins after that.

    Some garages would fail cars to create more work for themselves and some garages would pass dodgy cars for other reasons e.g. helping out their pals who promised that the necessary work would be carried out to fix the car's problems.

    With NCTs there are sometimes problems where the tester has grudges against local mechanics and garages for some reason, one of the reasons being that they once worked for a particular garage and didn't get on too well with the people there. Overall, with the NCT system, the necessary independence still exists.

    Post edited by ejmaztec on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The emissions is one of the most important tests - keeping all those black Belcher's off our roads and out of our lungs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    There’s few places more depressing than the waiting room in the NCT test centre off the M50 J4. Jesus Christ, what a kip.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …theres definitely inconsistencies within the system, a local auto shop told me theyve seen an increase in these inconsistencies, they also believe the whole thing should have never been privatised as it creates opportunities for abuse by operators….tis messy out….



  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    As it is a legal requirement, there is no point in worrying about it too much, unless you plan on stopping driving.

    Alternatively bring it up at the door when the politicians come knocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm old enough to remember having to jump out of the car regularly to give people push starts. I'm old enough to remember mates driving with their handbrake full on because their their brakes weren't great. I'm old enough to remember people warning about where the holes in the floor were when you'd hop into the back seat.

    We absolutely need an NCT system.



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