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Naval Service General Discussion - Fleet, Manpower, Policy

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  • #32
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Superb photo! Thanks.



  • #33
    roadmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Have they finally turned the tide?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41377360.html



  • #34
    sparky42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Interesting to see the reports that it might be one of the 50's that return to service and not one of the 60's, still its good news if it happens.



  • #35
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122049003#Comment_122049003

    Indeed, if we are able to get two more into service it will certainly be an improvement, both for patrols and for the people as you pointed out getting sea time, and might allow for another Med deployment which again might be another small step towards helping retention issues. I guess we will just have to wait and see.



  • #36
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122049003#Comment_122049003

    The Munster Republic is been reborn and Niamh & her sister will form its Navy?



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  • #37
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Which is?



  • #38
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051248#Comment_122051248

    What the **** did I just read?



  • #39
    mupper2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭mupper2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051588#Comment_122051588

    Someone who seems real mad we're not naming ships after pacifist writers anymore..



  • #40
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The opinion piece is 100% correct.

    The boats haven't been commissioned yet, so still time for a change, and I've already written to Micheál Martin to do precisely that.



  • #41
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051916#Comment_122051916

    OK,I guess, each their own, but I would have thought there are a few other areas defence related to write to the Minister about before we whine about the names of a couple of ships…



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  • #42
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There are indeed.

    But if we are to believe the claim that it was Eamon Ó'Cuiv who swayed the Tánaiste's mind on the matter personally, its clear those other defence areas are not an especially high priority for him.

    Just to note, I have written to him before on a couple of defence matters, and I did include a few other things when writing about the P70 names.



  • #43
    CrabRevolution
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051248#Comment_122051248

    The author's name didn't ring any bells in terms of defence so I had a look. This seems to be his first piece on anything Irish defence related, but he has other stuff like; "I have a great idea for men ahead of International Womens Day…" and "Dublin has a historical deficit of streets named after women".

    Looks like he has a particular axe to grind.



  • #44
    mupper2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭mupper2


    Delete.



  • #45
    roadmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    On Naval Social Media they show crews working on the IPVs and also say Armamwnt Upgrade. Is that a GPMG or have they installed the same system as the Mowag cars?



  • #46
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083167#Comment_122083167

    Surely a GMPG wouldn't take a large amount of work? I mean enough to make a point of it?



  • #47
    tippilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭tippilot


    Can we assume it's one of the Rhinos that have recently become homeless?

    It should really be a stabilised RWS.



  • #48
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I understood they were due to get a stabilised 30mm system with remote fire control, like a DS30M or NSG30 or some such.



  • #49
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122085376#Comment_122085376

    if so, does that suggest a path for the replacement of the secondaries on the other ships?



  • #50
    tippilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭tippilot


    We would probably have seen a manufacturer's press release if it was anything new.

    An improvement on the HMG's no doubt but a tough ask to maintain accurate fire in rough seas with an unstabilised mount.



  • #51
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I was just thinking the same. Its all very well to have spare Rhinos going, but they aren't really fit for purpose on the Lake Class.



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  • #52
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Rhinos are manual and not stabilised for a bow position, aren't they?



  • #53
    tippilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭tippilot


    Unless of course said use involves actually hitting something.

    There's a reason any live firing of the Rh202 you'll see involves very short bursts. It's a dumb bomb Vs smart bomb scenario.



  • #54
    thomil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭thomil


    Very stupid question here:

    Could it be possible that the P70s are meant to be a test bed for a remote gun system that is currently not in use? As in “evaluate the system’s performance before placing a wider order and rolling it out to the fleet at large”? Given the apparent restrictions on the Defence Forces’ current remote controlled gun systems with regards to naval use, at least if I’ve read this thread correctly, that would make quite a bit of sense to mine. Besides, the acquisition of the P70s would have given the opportunity to get such a gun system with relatively minimal scrutiny, since a lot of money had to be allocated to the purchase, transfer and refitting of the ships anyway.

    As I said, this is likely a very stupid idea, but I’ve seen stranger things happen…

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • #55
    Larbre34
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    No such thing as a stupid question, unless you're Jonnybigwallet of course.

    But yeah I understood the plan was for a 30mm stabilised system with remote fire control and all that good stuff. But any such system would already be proven in the wider market and there wouldn't be a huge proving exercise required for use in the fleet.

    Right now the P50s and 60s have the only armaments they are going to have in their service life, probably, and there wouldn't be much cause to make a change unless a missile system was to be introduced, which a) isn't on any cards and b) likely wouldn't fit without removing some current utility being removed.

    The NS already has plenty of experience with electronic fire-control weapons in the OTO Melara 76mm on the above ships, so all in all, the adoption of a remote 30mm system for the P70s wouldn't be a complex process.



  • #56
    roadmaster
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    The Navy doing a reruitment tour. I hope every port they visit they have a leaving cert classes coming in for a visit.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0505/1447427-navy-recruitment-drive/



  • #57
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099369#Comment_122099369

    better 4/5th year classes I would say, if it’s leaving cert unless you get them early in the year many will have already picked their likely third level/employment areas.



  • #58
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,563 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Fair play for them getting out there, but if past performance is a guide to future progress, then the ambition to go from 730 odd personnel now, to 2,000 in 2028, is beyond fanciful.



  • #59
    roadmaster
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    If they want a 2k Navy they badly need to get the East Coast base up and running and even that North western base. The better geographical spread the better chance of getting personal.

    If they had a base in Donegal they would have no problem getting crews from Sligo to Derry.

    The 28th Battlion is proof it can be done.



  • #60
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101095#Comment_122101095

    Honestly, I'm fairly confident of the opposite tbh, its going to need some amount of personnel per base, and in Dublin you are still going to face the cost of living arguments. Will it generate any significant increase… Guess we will see in the 2030's.



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  • #61
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101193#Comment_122101193

    The state could easily lease or buy an apartment block for personal to live in to help with the cost of living. It would be a lot cheaper than repairing 18th century building.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122102289#Comment_122102289

    Do you think Dun Laioghre is not a runner?



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